JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

Post by georgemcbay » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:18 PM UTC

lol768 wrote: post #180

kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

>But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth This came about due to a decent amount of consumer backlash, if I r…

Post by on_and_off » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:19 PM UTC

rco8786 wrote: post #185

gatherhunterer wrote: post #181

They seem to have nice products but when people compare JetBrains tooling to Vim, Emacs and VSCode everyone seems to leave out the fact that those tools are 100% free. I think it’s important for coding to be open to as many people as possible and the tools are the point of entry.

JetBrains does have a free tier, fwiw. It’s quite powerful too (I say this as an avid vim user)

Post by rsynnott » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:20 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #20

I can’t tell you how many times my use of very vanilla Emacs with zero jedi / autocomplete / search features has saved me in my career. It’s so critical to use text editors for software development and extract all other functionality to separate shell tools. If a mix of very simple vim or Emacs + grep / git grep / silver searcher + CLI tools for automatic linting, test cases, etc., isn’t efficient for you, and motiva…

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:22 PM UTC

wayneftw wrote: post #222

edanm wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

> "move the cursor to a certain place and enter some text" In vscode, I'm usually already looking at the call site of a function I want to edit. So I move the cursor into the function call and hit F12 which takes me to the function definition to edit it. Once I'm done, I hit Alt+LEFT to navigate back to where I was to continue on... If I didn't start from a call site but I know the file I want to edit - I hit Ctrl+P,…

Post by rsynnott » Sun, Dec 15, 2019, 7:22 PM UTC

b5n wrote: post #84

gonehome wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments like this were part of the reason I wasted a lot of time earlier in my career trying to use emacs or vim on large code bases instead of an IDE. I suspect this is some tribal identity thing about being a “real” programmer that I fell victim too. The IDEs are extremely powerful and much better out of the box for working in a large code base. They allow you to navigate a lot more easily and focus on the code it…

Use what works best, but Emacs is incredibly powerful, and certainly has the potential to make you more productive. I wish I had taken the time to learn Emacs earlier in my career, my task efficiency has increased significantly since converting my work flows. It does take a long time to learn relative to plug and play solutions (especially for someone like me with decades of old habits), luckily I had a few months of…