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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

lghh wrote: post #406
SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #400

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I never knew they were a Russian company. That kind of makes me rethink my support, this day and age. Trusting a Russian company for such fundamental tooling seems really unwise.

Why is that? And, alternatively, who would you trust?

Russia is a malevolent authoritarian regime. Russian companies (like Chinese companies) have no power to resist the dictates of their authoritarian governments. I don't trust anyone completely, but democratic countries where government authority is checked/constrained by the people and competing forces are far more trustworthy.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by prox »

optimiz3 wrote: post #215
thijsvandien wrote: post #192

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True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

Same here for Adobe Creative Suite; still on version 6 (perpetual license), which I run in a Virtual Machine due to support end-of-life.

Switched to Affinity, Photo, Designer and Publisher are pretty awesome and a true replacement for Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign. Switched 1.5 years ago, never looked back and saved a lot of money in the process. There are a few things it doesn’t have, but its impressive nonetheless. The devs are very committed to speed and anti bloat.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by prox »

wlesieutre wrote: post #368
dangoor wrote: post #366

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Depending on what you do use, Mac users actually have lots of great choices now. The Affinity apps, for example, are terrific.

I’ve got them! Did a stint on Sketch as well. It’s now gone subscription, but it think it’s the more acceptable “still works but you stops getting updates” type subscription like jetbrains. What I really want is an Affinity photo library manager like Lightroom. I’ve looked at some currently available options and not been impressed, but there were tweets to the effect that Affinity was thinking about it.

I believe its the current objective to produce a lightroom alternative.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by [deleted] »

hugi wrote: post #371
chris_j wrote: post #338

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What is it about your requirements that means that IntelliJ can't compete with Eclipse?

I'm a contractor working on many projects. Using Eclipse, I can keep my entire universe of all projects I have deployed (about 30 of them), as well as their dependent libraries, as well as every open source project I use and contribute to, open at all times. I almost never close a project and I never open a project. It's just all there. If I need to use or modify a piece of code, written by me or someone else, it's a…

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by prox »

mthoms wrote: post #387
RussianCow wrote: post #373

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The OP said: > you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed Which is correct, and is the same thing you described.

On second read, you might be right so I amended my comment... In my defense, OP's comment is ambiguously worded. What you actually get is a permanent license to the oldest release available during your subscription. OP also says: >... after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth." Also kind of unclear. And judgi…

You get the latest version you subbed to. So if you subbed last in 2018, you get that version. If resubbing j. 2019, the 2019 version. Also every year the price goes down, so you pay less and less.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by grzm »

SmirkingRevenge wrote: post #411
lghh wrote: post #406

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Why is that? And, alternatively, who would you trust?

Russia is a malevolent authoritarian regime. Russian companies (like Chinese companies) have no power to resist the dictates of their authoritarian governments. I don't trust anyone completely, but democratic countries where government authority is checked/constrained by the people and competing forces are far more trustworthy.

At least some of Jetbrains' offerings are open source. If you have security concerns, you may be able to alleviate some of them by your own examination.

I'd also encourage you to consider separating your concerns about the Russian government and individuals living in Russia, just as you might other governments and their citizenry.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by zenhack »

mmastrac wrote: post #301
wldlyinaccurate wrote: post #278

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Which licence did you distribute the code with? Surely there's solid grounds for a legal case if the licence didn't permit commercial use?

I wasn't really clear on licensing back then and it looks like I had a few GPL headers in the source. EDIT: it was clearer than I thought - v0.4 [1] has an explicit GPL 2.0 COPYING.txt in the root. [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/nprof/files/OldFiles/nprof-...

As others have pointed out, if they weren't distributing source and passing on the license, this is a blatant copyright violation, and what they were (still are?) doing is illegal.

If you're at all interested in doing anything about it, copyleft.org has a bunch of useful resources.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by OJFord »

dabeeeenster wrote: post #395
echelon wrote: post #370

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I'm really curious - why do people want a graphical git client? The command line exposes everything, and the model is simple and intuitive. I work in a very large monorepo, so it's not like I'm working in a git tree that isn't complicated.

Git is famous for being unintuitive?

Infamous, and a more accurate description might be that discussions about git are well-known for quickly descending into discussions about whether or not it's intuitive and whether or not that matters since you use it every day you'll soon get it and no longer care that much how intuitive it is anyway.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by earenndil »

sicariusnoctis wrote: post #336
DeepVim wrote: post #324

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I guess even easier would be to go to the visual mode, then selecting all the lines and append the commas all at once :) 8j$A,

Isn't `$` is redundant

Not in visual mode.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by OJFord »

mandeepj wrote: post #380
echelon wrote: post #370

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I'm really curious - why do people want a graphical git client? The command line exposes everything, and the model is simple and intuitive. I work in a very large monorepo, so it's not like I'm working in a git tree that isn't complicated.

for a new person, it's almost impossible to get anything done with git command line

You could say that about any tool, of course you have to spend some time to understand how to use it safely and effectively.

'for a new person, it's almost impossible to get anything done with a table saw'

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