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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by scooble »

wayneftw wrote: post #222
edanm wrote: post #202

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I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

> "move the cursor to a certain place and enter some text" In vscode, I'm usually already looking at the call site of a function I want to edit. So I move the cursor into the function call and hit F12 which takes me to the function definition to edit it. Once I'm done, I hit Alt+LEFT to navigate back to where I was to continue on... If I didn't start from a call site but I know the file I want to edit - I hit Ctrl+P,…

All that can be done in vim.

The one related function that I would miss is using vimgrep and the QuickFix list to get a list of the locations where the function name appears which I can use e.g. to do a search and replace in those files (or a subset of them)

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

wolco wrote: post #320
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #310

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Photoshop is much less free/open than Jetbrains products are.

You may like them more for a variety of reasons but how is photoshop less free/open than Jetbrains products. Both are commericial products that require a licease and both are on the subscription model after selling unlimited liceases for years.

IDEA CE is opensource, many plugins are opensource as well.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by Waterluvian »

grogenaut wrote: post #377
Waterluvian wrote: post #275

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Apologies but I'm only reading the first sentence of your comment. It's about how I enjoy coding. Its my job but I love it. It's fun. Part of what makes it so enjoyable is the ergonomics. Ask any craftsman about their tools.

Non-sarcastic question, how do you fare in situations where you are uncomfortable, like learning new skills; Where you are just BAD at a thing. New sport, new technology/language, etc? I learned a while back that I had to lean into those things and just get through the awkward if you wanted to keep learning.

You raise a great point the more I think about it.

I thrive when learning new skills and being "uncomfortable" and out of my element.

It's probably because I'm picking at rust for fun in my personal time that I don't want to deal with the uncomfortable parts. In my own time I coast and comfortably stroll through new problem spaces rather than get to that "my brain hurts" part that's all too familiar.

If rust + intellij was a work requirement I probably would just pick it up and discover that my brain can handle perfectly, two sets of bindings the way people claim to be able to do qwerty and Dvorak interchangeably.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by justsid »

fgonzag wrote: post #248
justsid wrote: post #163

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OP is litereally ranting about people using text editors for tasks that IDEs excell at, and you are suggesting another text editor.

So nobody can give the opposing view point? I use both IDEs and Text Editors depending on the language. I use jetbrains for kotlin/java, and moved from vim to vscode for javascript and any other scripting language (also switched from VS to VSCode for .net) I find developers who try to force their tools on others annoying. I'm much more productive on scripting languages with an editor. They just feel more responsive.

Of course you can disagree with that! I have written great amounts of all sorts of projects in text editors instead of an IDE. And yes, text editors come in different flavours. VS Code/Sublime Text isn’t the same as Notepad. That being said, the person I replied didn’t make a case of VS Code in any way. The OP asked what to use instead of a text editor like Sublime Text, and the reply was simply “Just use VS Code”. That’s not an argument in any way, that’s just a statement.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by dabeeeenster »

echelon wrote: post #370
manigandham wrote: post #345

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There's also Fork: https://git-fork.com/

I'm really curious - why do people want a graphical git client? The command line exposes everything, and the model is simple and intuitive. I work in a very large monorepo, so it's not like I'm working in a git tree that isn't complicated.

Git is famous for being unintuitive?

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by keithnz »

runevault wrote: post #360
w0utert wrote: post #231

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I wanted to say exactly that. I've never been a big fan of vim plugins in IDE's, even though I still prefer them over no vim bindings. The VS code or Eclipse vim bindings are 'not great' at best, for example. But CLion + vim plugin is actually very good: it uses my .vimrc, doesn't mess up undo/redo, supports things like block select in visual mode, etc. The only downside is that it interferes with some standard CLion…

Out of curiosity is the plugin just called vim or what? I've been craving getting back to using vim style controls to edit text (and use CLion when working with Rust) so would be interested in at experimenting with this.

IdeaVim

It also has two popular vim packages, surround and easymotion you can use too, which I really like.

I then customize all the IDE stuff to vim combos.... super nice.

only PITA is in some drop downs on a number of jetbrains products is that it doesn't play nice with auto hotkey, I have ALT-J and ALT-K bound to up and down arrow keys which makes for a much nicer vim experience when dealing with autocomplete drop downs ( or any drop down )

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by kawsper »

akie wrote: post #247
thijsvandien wrote: post #192

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True; that's the only subscription model I find acceptable for software that hardly changes in meaningful ways. For example, I refuse to upgrade Git Tower to version 3 as a protest against fournova's new licensing. Up to that point, I was a loyal customer and product advocate, basically buying every upgrade anyway, but by my own choice. Instead, I'll be on version 2 "forever", despite all its flaws. It was even worse…

I am just replying to say that I have the exact same experience. I love Git Tower and recommended it to many people, but I haven't upgraded to version 3 and likely never will - for the exact reasons that you have lined out. I think FourNova (the company behind it) is probably missing out on quite some cash here...

I'm in the same boat, and I would rather search and find an alternative when my version 2 no longer works, than to support them again.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by projektfu »

dd36 wrote: post #220
optimiz3 wrote: post #215

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Same here for Adobe Creative Suite; still on version 6 (perpetual license), which I run in a Virtual Machine due to support end-of-life.

Intuit Quickooks is same way. Hasn’t substantively changed in 20 years but they stop you from importing new data if you don’t update to latest every 3 years. They need some real competition.

There’s Sage 50 if you want desktop, but even desktop QB is on life support and everyone’s going online.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by AsyncAwait »

wolco wrote: post #320
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #310

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Photoshop is much less free/open than Jetbrains products are.

You may like them more for a variety of reasons but how is photoshop less free/open than Jetbrains products. Both are commericial products that require a licease and both are on the subscription model after selling unlimited liceases for years.

> Both are commericial products that require a licease

There are community versions of some of their IDEs, which are fully FLOSS, unlike Photoshop.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

Zetoke wrote: post #388
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #305

I agree with many of the other posters: JetBrains has succeeded because their products are generally awesome, and I am a happy personal subscriber. People should especially remember what the Java IDE landscape looked like when they first came out with IntelliJ: using IntelliJ after using NetBeans or Eclipse was like using Google for the first time after being familiar with AltaVista - it was just a night and day bett…

>I'm sure the much lower salaries in Prague allowed them to be more competitive with a lower burn rate It's a russian company with the most people (especially engineers) in St. Petersburg. It's only technically registered in Prague. They have only 50 people there. And around a thousand people distributed across Russia (St. Petersburg, Moscow, Novosibirsk), Munich, Boston and brand new office in Amsterdam.

I never knew they were a Russian company. That kind of makes me rethink my support, this day and age. Trusting a Russian company for such fundamental tooling seems really unwise.
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