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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Same here for Adobe Creative Suite; still on version 6 (perpetual license), which I run in a Virtual Machine due to support end-of-life.

Intuit Quickooks is same way. Hasn’t substantively changed in 20 years but they stop you from importing new data if you don’t update to latest every 3 years. They need some real competition.

> They need some real competition.

Have you tried Xero? I haven’t, but if you have, I’d be curious to hear your take on it.

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That sucks. Are you just looking for an apology?

Given that it's 15 years later, I'm sure that would be fine. It was really just disappointing for a me in his mid-20s.

If they've done it to you, it's very possible they've done/do it to others. You should post your story. JetBrains is not a little operation and should to be held to account if they've done what you've said.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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IMO it’s a no-brainer to pay $20 a month for PHPStorm. I easily save $20 a day in time through the easy class/use resolution, function parameter display and the semantic “spell” checking that highlights missing braces, semicolons, etc. And then there’s the whole xdebug works over ssh tunnels thing I couldn’t ever get to work with vscode + plugin.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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are you really writing that much code where a 20% (actual, and I'm going to guess to you it's a 100% percieved) slow down is going to make you get fired? Or think of it another way, why are you only able to work in optimal environments, and is that the real benefit you provide? Are you going to get laid off if you aren't fully optimal? If you switched keyboard layouts would you lose this speed too? Can you afford to…

Former Emacs user here. I've been doing the same: stick with the defaults as much as possible and adapt. This brought nice additions to my workflow, like multi-cursor editing, which I didn't use in Emacs because doing regexes was my way of solving these problems. PS: I'm pretty sure that Emacs must have a multi-cursor mode somewhere :)

https://github.com/magnars/multiple-cursors.el

of course it does.

in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNa3axo40qM

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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> It's possible they wouldn't be able to get off the ground today if they tried this whole thing again. I think that's unkind. The product they had when they started (IDEA) was so much better than the competition, that it felt like magic. Yes, they rode the Java wave, but there have been other waves since then (Ruby, Python...) and nobody really managed to replicate for those markets the same experience of productivi…

PyCharm’s success also has to do with the fact that they already had IntelliJ — both in terms of marketing and in terms of having lots of tech already in place.

Yet plenty of other popular IDEs don’t ever get popular for other languages - JetBrain are winning on hard mode.

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> In Vim I'd press `j` to get to the first entry, then `A, ` to append the `,` after the first one, then `j.` to move down and repeat the action. I then press `j.` a bunch more times (which is really easy to do rapidly with your index and ring finger on Qwerty) and in 2 seconds I'm done. Vim's `.` to repeat the last action is really powerful and can save you a ton of time for small ad-hoc edit repetitions that don't…

I guess even easier would be to go to the visual mode, then selecting all the lines and append the commas all at once :) 8j$A,

Isn't `$` is redundant

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> a jetbrains ide can do are just much better than what my custom setup could do I get frustrated by people who insist on a complex vi/emacs setup for something Jetbrains IDEs do better out of the box. Or people who insist Sublime is good for editing their complex React project.

I use both emacs and Intellij, depending on the circumstances. There are some things for text editing that are just faster in emacs. For example, - I can be somewhere, jump around to a bunch of files, copy something, and then jump back to whereever I was last actually editing quickly (the "jump back to last edit" is 2 strokes). - I wrote a custom mode, with tabification and fontification for the query language used b…

> I also really like _make_ and wrap my other commands (mvn, gradle, etc) in Makefiles. I get jokingly mocked a lot at work :)

I do this as well. I put my scripts in a make file. E.g. to ssh into a machine X, I write a Makefile with .PHONY rule "X" so I simply run "make X".

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I agree with many of the other posters: JetBrains has succeeded because their products are generally awesome, and I am a happy personal subscriber. People should especially remember what the Java IDE landscape looked like when they first came out with IntelliJ: using IntelliJ after using NetBeans or Eclipse was like using Google for the first time after being familiar with AltaVista - it was just a night and day bett…

I'm an outsider fan. I've attempted to use IntelliJ on multiple occasions, but it just can't really compete with Eclipse as far as my requirements are concerned. But the competition from and innovation in IntelliJ has no doubt made Eclipse better (and modern Eclipse is kind of awesome and just keeps getting better).

What is it about your requirements that means that IntelliJ can't compete with Eclipse?

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>But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth This came about due to a decent amount of consumer backlash, if I r…

> They used to sell standalone perpetual licenses which included a period of updates. I'm missing something. What's the difference between that and what they're doing now? You pay $X, you get a perpetual licence and updates for a limited period.

In addition to what michaf mentioned, what we have now is not what they originally proposed.

https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2015/09/18/final-update-on-t... - the perpetual license fallback did not exist under the original proposals and only happened due to backlash.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

The thing I like is that their stuff makes it easier to develop and is reasonably priced.

If your company won’t pay for it you can buy a personal subscription cheaply.

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