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JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by meraku »

kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

Same here. I wish everyone company with a subscription based licensing model did it this way. It should be noted though, when Jetbrains initially decided to move to this type of licensing, it was a bit different and they got a lot of backlash from existing users (including myself), but credit to them for listening and amending it to something better for customers.

I've been a happy customer and Resharper user for many years and it makes my life much better, so it's great to see the company doing well.

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Post by hugi »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #305

I agree with many of the other posters: JetBrains has succeeded because their products are generally awesome, and I am a happy personal subscriber. People should especially remember what the Java IDE landscape looked like when they first came out with IntelliJ: using IntelliJ after using NetBeans or Eclipse was like using Google for the first time after being familiar with AltaVista - it was just a night and day bett…

I'm an outsider fan. I've attempted to use IntelliJ on multiple occasions, but it just can't really compete with Eclipse as far as my requirements are concerned. But the competition from and innovation in IntelliJ has no doubt made Eclipse better (and modern Eclipse is kind of awesome and just keeps getting better).

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Post by michaf »

ScottBurson wrote: post #308
lol768 wrote: post #180

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>But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you also get a perpetual license for that particular version and so on and so forth This came about due to a decent amount of consumer backlash, if I r…

> They used to sell standalone perpetual licenses which included a period of updates. I'm missing something. What's the difference between that and what they're doing now? You pay $X, you get a perpetual licence and updates for a limited period.

Now the perpetual licensed version always lags 12 months behind in updates, i.e. you do not have a perpetual license for the past 12 months worth of updates at the time your subscription runs out.

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Post by DeepVim »

earenndil wrote: post #272
stevelosh wrote: post #257

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You're talking about how it's easy to move to a function or a file, and then you're "ready to edit", but edanm is talking about actually doing the editing . For example: say I jump to this function and want to fix a bug (the `search` should strip off the first two characters here, not just one). So I need to change `regex.search(s[1:], ...)` to `regex.search(s[2:], ...)`: def compile_hg_glob(line): pat = glob_to_re(l…

> In Vim I'd press `j` to get to the first entry, then `A, ` to append the `,` after the first one, then `j.` to move down and repeat the action. I then press `j.` a bunch more times (which is really easy to do rapidly with your index and ring finger on Qwerty) and in 2 seconds I'm done. Vim's `.` to repeat the last action is really powerful and can save you a ton of time for small ad-hoc edit repetitions that don't…

I guess even easier would be to go to the visual mode, then selecting all the lines and append the commas all at once :)

8j$A,

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Post by ncmncm »

FpUser wrote: post #25
non-entity wrote: post #10

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I recently went ahead and purchased theyr3 full product line, because I figured there are several I would end up wanting to use and it was just cheaper that way. The reason I bought it though, was specifically for CLion. I figured having a full featured IDE would make it much easier to browse and understand large C or C++ projects, but sadly it seems to only support CMake projects.

I also tried their CLion and was somewhat disappointed. Slow in places, sometime stalls, bugs here and there. Ended up using CodeLite and Qt designer

There is absolutely no excuse for any editing product to be perceptibly slow.

A single ordinary, commodity CPU core can sort 100M of totally random ints in 5 seconds. The amount of work any editor legitimately needs to do to provide you editing support is trivial, in comparison, by any measure.

Re: JetBrains: $270M revenue, 405K paying users, $0 raised

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Post by modernerd »

kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

You also get loyalty discounts on your subscription!

After year three even their "everything" licence feels affordable for a working dev. (€649 for the first year, €389 by year three: https://www.jetbrains.com/store/#commercial?billing=yearly )

I wish more companies did this.

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Post by ncmncm »

w0utert wrote: post #242
FpUser wrote: post #25

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I also tried their CLion and was somewhat disappointed. Slow in places, sometime stalls, bugs here and there. Ended up using CodeLite and Qt designer

One thing I've found with CLion is that you really, really want to edit the JVM settings for the IDE. By default it starts with a 2GB memory limit for the JVM, which even for small projects will severely drag down performance, e.g. my MBP would run very hot, spin the fans and the IDE would get very laggy. Increasing the JVM settings to allocate 8GB completely solved this.

An editor that needs (even) 2GB to be blindingly fast is a failure.

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Post by vips7L »

toyg wrote: post #131
conradfr wrote: post #102

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I have a tiny Go program that I very rarely touch and was quite happy with the go plugin ... until they launched their full blown Go IDE and disabled the plugin in their other IDEs. I understand why but I'm still a bit sour. And that's how I finally tried VSCode.

> disabled the plugin in their other IDEs Wut? The plugin is there. I installed it in IDEA without any problems just two weeks ago. Then again, I have an Ultimate subscription, I don't know if the free versions are held back.

Yeah typically the plugins are only available for ultimate after they launch a paid version.

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Post by ghaff »

kevindong wrote: post #179

I'm a big fan of the way JetBrains sells their licenses. Like a lot of software companies nowadays, they only sell licenses on a subscription basis. But with a very customer-friendly clause of where if you pay for a subscription for 12 months you get a perpetual license for the latest version of the product when you initially subscribed. And then after paying for any particular version of a product for 12 months, you…

Honestly, I don't really have a problem with subscriptions generally if it's a product that I use regularly. (Modulo "reasonable" pricing of course.) Where I have an issue is when I need a product I rarely use any longer to open an existing file or do some once in a blue moon task.

At some point, software stops working with OS upgrades etc. anyway and I can deal with that. But I don't want to pay a subscription for something I use a couple times of year and don't need the latest version of.

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Post by rubyn00bie »

formercoder wrote: post #211
edanm wrote: post #202

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I mainly use vim and occasionally use Jetbrains. My setup in vim is super complex. I can tell you exactly how I feel about it: Vim is a better text editor than anything else. By far. Unfortunately, vim is terrible at basically everything else. The problem is, once you learn to use vim's text editing capabilities, then editing code using anything else feels like a pain. I'm not talking about variable lookups / etc. I'…

I always found Jetbrains + vim plugin to be unparalleled. A good friend swears by spacemacs but that’s a different ballgame.

Was going to chime in to say the same, the VIM plugin in Intellij is hands-down the best vim emulation I've seen. It takes your vimrc as `.ideavimrc` and fucking works.

Been paying for Intellij for nearly a year now and I don't regret a day of it. Well okay, I do regret the one day EAP was totally broken by the VIM plugin, by besides that it has been brilliant.

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