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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by linuxftw »

some_random wrote: post #191
Isinlor wrote: post #154

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Both sentiments are pointed in the same direction - more freedom. Also, Blizzard, South Park, NBA are part of popular culture in the west. Cooperation with China is endangering that culture, so you see backlash. Standards related to RISC-V are not part of popular culture and there is no danger of Chinese censorship. There is however danger of USA protectionism. And yes - I can see Americans using microchip intellectu…

> USA protectionism Is it just maybe possible that the US public is waking up to the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansings, and widespread human rights violations in China, which may lead to the state being sanctioned like so many other despicable regimes?

No. The average person in the US doesn't care about these things or even know about them. What is finally starting to make sense is that other countries have next to no regulations, and literal sweat shops, and US workers are feeling the effects these are having. IE, it's all about money.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by outside1234 »

juskrey wrote: post #114
mytailorisrich wrote: post #85

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No-one is going to invade Switzerland. A country like the US can invade any country they want. International law is irrelevant. But they can pressure a country like Switzerland without needing to resort to military action, which would be crazy anyway in the case of Switzerland.

US have already pressured Swiss to remove bank secrecy, which is kinda a big deal.

You mean they have pressured the Swiss to stop laundering and storing drug and Nazi money, which is totally a big deal.

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Post by riversflow »

wayoutthere wrote: post #200
riversflow wrote: post #185

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There are such things as universal human rights, and China is absolute violating of them. >You literally just can't. Right, which is why we let Hitler exterminate the Jews.

> There are such things as universal human rights, and China is absolute violation of them. You mean the ones that the US routinely violates for "terrorists" and "criminals"? China uses the exact same rhetoric for the people whose rights it violates. The situation with the Uyghurs mirrors a lot of the tactics used in the 70s by American police against black Americans under the guise of the "war on drugs" (hint: our p…

>What else could we have done?

We could have engaged with the Japanese in the Pacific and let Europe duke it out and weaken themselves to nothing. Then rolled into Europe with tanks and taken over the whole world? Seriously. I'm not a historian, but I'm pretty sure we could have taken a very different route in WWII. If we really lacked morality, why didn't we just take over the World after WWII, or force the countries we helped out into terrible economic deals like China is doing in Africa. The Marshall plan was charitable.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by pjc50 »

riversflow wrote: post #167
pjc50 wrote: post #104

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The US has a strong commitment to pardoning its war criminals and human rights violators. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon... This, incidentally, is why it's hard to take seriously the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

>the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover. You must be saying this in jest, or you have been brainwashed. Without even touching on the interment camps, which are definitely worse than the US prison system; here is demonstrable evidence that the US cares more about global human rights than the Chinese.[1] [1] https://www.hrw.org…

That link doesn't actually mention the US at all? It points to a single example involving Zambia and China, which is definitely bad. There are an awfully long list of those around the world.

That's what I mean - if you go looking for incidents where the Chinese are involved and build up a prosecution argument against them, that's a very different approach to trying to systematically and without favour deal with all human rights abuses of all scale by all parties. Which is a huge job.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by pjc50 »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #74
pjc50 wrote: post #72

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The mistake is categorising things like iPhones as simple "imports", when both the parts and the software and most of the profits are from American companies. I work for an iPhone-part-supplying US headquarters company with offices around the world. We spent some considerable effort working out who was allowed to continue talking to Huawei.

How have things changed for you all over the past few years?

I've only been working there for a year, but the company has been on a general upward curve it seems.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by beatgammit »

microtherion wrote: post #176
pgeorgi wrote: post #80

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In this case Switzerland seems to be a pretty good choice: compulsory military service, difficult terrain, nuclear power plants (and with them the infrastructure to build the bomb)

Yeah, that's what we LIKE the others to think. Realistically, our armed forces are at a strength of about 140K soldiers right now (pretty sure that's not a state secret). The parts of the terrain that are actually inhabited are not particularly forbidding (let them build their RISC processors in a hut nestled beside an 8500ft mountain pass. Don't forget to bring popcorn as you watch them). And nuclear power plants ma…

According to Wikipedia [1], you have ~160k active military with ~1.5M that could be conscripted. That's not huge, but it's enough to give an enemy a bad time, especially with the Swiss terrain and strategic defenses. And I'm sure they'd have a bunch of other countries willing to back them up, depending on the belligerent.

I highly doubt it'll come to that. It would be much easier to just infiltrate the fab and replace stock going to an important destination.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Armed_Forces

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by outside1234 »

gok wrote: post #179
coliveira wrote: post #14

This is a great move. It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology. I don't want to be a prisoner in a place where technology is simply considered "illegal" because it doesn't further the interests of the ruling class.

> It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology Definitely. Next up should be punishment for the EU nations with those restrictions on cookies and tracking technology in general.

Or at least for the cookie popups - those should be charged as war crimes. :)

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by gumby »

NonEUCitizen wrote: post #115
chj wrote: post #43

It is interesting to see Switzerland becoming a technology hub in the post blockchain era.

Switzerland has been a tech hub for a very long time.

At the beginning of the Second World War it was still an impoverished agrarian country. I personally don’t consider that a very long time.

This opinion is due to the longer tenure as tech “hub” of various places in the UK, France, and USA.

There is some great tech coming out of Switzerland but I’m not sure there’s a really a connection between hosting standards organizations and having a technical infrastructure.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by riversflow »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #171
riversflow wrote: post #167

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>the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover. You must be saying this in jest, or you have been brainwashed. Without even touching on the interment camps, which are definitely worse than the US prison system; here is demonstrable evidence that the US cares more about global human rights than the Chinese.[1] [1] https://www.hrw.org…

The United States invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on a thin pretext. It toppled the government of Libya, leading to years of turmoil and the return of literal slavery. It supported Sunni extremists in Syria that helped tear that country apart. It ran a global kidnapping and torture operation for years. It conducts drone assassinations around the world. When I hear Americans talking about the U…

Look, I'm didn't say that the US is a beacon of morality, what I'm saying is that China is significantly less moral than the US, and I gave a direct apples to apples example. Pointing out that the US participated in the Iraq war is not really on topic at all, because the US is the sole flag-bearer of free trade on the high seas in our global economic system--no one else has the navy to do it and nobody else has to maintain that machine. The US hasn't kidnapped and tortured any consulate employees recently, which China just did.

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/11/21/uk-govt-summons-china-...

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