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RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by draw_down »

gonational wrote: post #149

> wants to ensure that universities, governments and companies outside the United States can help develop its open-source technology Read as: > wants to ensure that China... Let me see if I understand this correctly. US tax dollars funded (in part, via UC Berkeley) this technology, and now this organization is moving outside of the US specifically so that it can work with China in ways that the US would not appreciat…

If this change helps the group operate more in the open, and the group operating more in the open ends up benefiting China, I guess I don’t understand why I should have a problem with that. I’m sure lots of open source development has been beneficial to China (among many others of course).

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by nabla9 »

quack01 wrote: post #147

Does anyone have figures on how much money the US federal government has spent to develop the RISC architecture?

RISC-V originated from 5 year project called Parallel Computing Laboratory (Par Lab) at UC Berkeley. Par Lab received no direct federal funding. It was funded mainly by Intel and Microsoft and State of California.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by onepointsixC »

tarsinge wrote: post #93
corporate_shi11 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That attitude certainly is encouraged by the DNC and mainstream media, but the reality is that China's economy is far more vulnerable to the trade war than ours and we have put ourselves in a great position of leverage over China as a result. What's truly brainless is thinking we can just bury our heads in the sand and ignore an ever expanding Totalitarian dictatorship bent on becoming the world's most powerful count…

What disturbs me is the full swings in public opinions. A few years (months?) ago nobody cares, then a US president makes an announcement and suddenly a whole country is full throttle on how bad China is, from politicians to medias, public opinion, internet, even HN, South Park, left or right... Nothing like a good war to unite people and make them not bother politicians? Why did America make China powerful in the fi…

That's because "the smartest guys in the room" that are supposed China experts have and to this day maintain that China is going to liberalize[1]. Which has been utterly disastrous policymaking. It's only been recently that public policymaking has actually reflected reality which has caused the swing in opinion.

[1]:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/making-china-a-us-en...

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by onepointsixC »

NohatCoder wrote: post #113
peter_retief wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably some of that but there is a scary attempt to regulate the world by a ruthless regime. Its a question that must be asked, sadly

Indeed, and relocating away from that regime is a good first step in cutting ties.

Imagine being this excited to stick it to the US so a totalitarian country could have access to a US-funded technology for use of genocide.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by socialdemocrat »

gonational wrote: post #149

> wants to ensure that universities, governments and companies outside the United States can help develop its open-source technology Read as: > wants to ensure that China... Let me see if I understand this correctly. US tax dollars funded (in part, via UC Berkeley) this technology, and now this organization is moving outside of the US specifically so that it can work with China in ways that the US would not appreciat…

The signals from the current US administration is pretty clear. It is a government that puts American interest ahead of any other concern. Naturally universities in other western countries are going to have their doubts about cooperating on crucial technology if it is under control by a government which only cares about national interests.

Same reason I favor exiting NATO and building a European alliance only. The US cannot be trusted. Look at what was done at a whim in Turkey.

Look at how the current US administration screwed us in the Iran deal.

Trump did not commit to defending other NATO allies, when asked. Hence what is the point of NATO? There is no point in being member of a defense alliance which the US uses when it suits them but which they are not committed to when it is inconvenient for them. That isn't an alliance at all.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #57
coliveira wrote: post #14

This is a great move. It is time to punish countries that impose restrictions on technology. I don't want to be a prisoner in a place where technology is simply considered "illegal" because it doesn't further the interests of the ruling class.

I think standards development should be open, so Switzerland is the ideal host in any geopolitical situation. Otherwise, I do think the American economy could benefit from restrictions on imports. It's called import substitution economics, which worked very well for american steel back in the late 19th century. Not sure if it'll work again though. Things are different now.

Tariffs and other protectionary measures make much more sense for developing countries than for developed countries.

Developing countries want to protect their fledgling industries from much stronger competition from the developed world. This hurts consumers in developing countries, who are forced to buy substandard domestic products at higher prices.

Developed countries want as free of trade as possible, so that their advanced companies can sell everywhere, and their consumers can buy the best products at the cheapest price.

A good analogy is to weight classes in boxing. They protect lighter fighters from the heavyweights. The heavyweights themselves would be fine if the weight classes were abolished. They'd win every fight.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by riversflow »

pjc50 wrote: post #104
Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

The US has a strong commitment to pardoning its war criminals and human rights violators. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-trump-warcrimes-pardon... This, incidentally, is why it's hard to take seriously the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

>the idea that US positioning against China is aimed at genuinely improving human rights and not just using them as rhetorical cover.

You must be saying this in jest, or you have been brainwashed. Without even touching on the interment camps, which are definitely worse than the US prison system; here is demonstrable evidence that the US cares more about global human rights than the Chinese.[1]

[1]https://www.hrw.org/report/2011/11/04/youll-be-fired-if-you-...

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by onepointsixC »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #133
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think standards development should be open, so Switzerland is the ideal host in any geopolitical situation. Otherwise, I do think the American economy could benefit from restrictions on imports. It's called import substitution economics, which worked very well for american steel back in the late 19th century. Not sure if it'll work again though. Things are different now.

It would definitely work. The USA is a -huge- market, it just wouldn't be as economically "good/efficient" as free trade is in a strictly classical economics sense.

That's only true if the global order continues. The only reason why you can set up shop across the street from a US factory and import some goods from halfway across the world and sell it for cheaper is because the United States Navy made the risk of shipping those goods negligible. That wasn't the norm for most written history and is a function of the post WW2 order. If the US elects a pacifist president who cuts the DoD budget in half, or even if the current POTUS continues on his isolationist path then this will no longer be the case.

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Post by monocasa »

baybal2 wrote: post #146
rayiner wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

> The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. ICC members follow universal jurisdiction when it comes to war crime.

The US has said it will go as far as a military invasion of the Hague if they try to enforce war crimes against the US.

Re: RISC-V Foundation moving to Switzerland over trade curb fears

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Post by socialdemocrat »

rayiner wrote: post #119
Tepix wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hague invasion act" =:-O The US truly are the bully in the room.

How is that bullying? The US doesn’t submit to the jurisdiction of the ICC, which is voluntary. (India isn’t a member either.) Clinton never submitted it to the Senate for ratification. Prosecution of an American by the ICC would therefore be an act of aggression and military response would be warranted. The US, in general, is defensive of its sovereignty. We have our own institutions and we are very protective of th…

Human rights are universal as established by the Nuremberg trials. If they were not then Nazis could not have been prosecuted for crimes against humanity. Nazi Germany never recognized the authority of these trials.

The point is that human rights are above national laws. If an American citizen commit serious human right abuses abroad he/she should naturally be put on trial.

In particular American involved in kidnapping and torturing foreigners to obtain information ought to be put on a human rights trial. I am thinking in particular about all the human rights violations during the Bush/Cheney years.

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