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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by hrktb »

visarga wrote: post #279
matthewmacleod wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and this machine moves further towards a portable workstation by embedding more power, allowing people to do some tasks on-site that would have previously required a fixed workstation. The “but why would you want a powerful portable machine” argument has always seemed really strange to me. It’s the same reason I’d want any portable machine.

The more powerful, the less portable. It's a tradeoff.

Our current machines are more powerful than past workstations yet more portable.

I get what you are pointing at, but it's a tradeoff only regarding what you prioritise. We still can improve on both fronts with different approaches.

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Post by pjmlp »

henryfjordan wrote: post #140
saagarjha wrote: post #128

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> Given that OSX and Linux are so similar under the hood and that standing up a VM is so easy Similar in what way?

They both share their roots in Unix. Linux is an open port of Unix whereas OSX is a fork of BSD which is itself also derived from Unix `ls`, `mv`, `cp` and other command line utility functions work relatively similarly across OSX and Linux. OSX has a package manager (brew) that works similarly to Package Managers found on Linux, etc... If you learn to use Linux, switching to OSX is relatively painless compared to Win…

The UNIX on NeXT and derived OS is just there mostly for compatibility purposes, and not much else.

http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/

https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-Internals-Approach-paperback/d...

https://www.amazon.com/Mac-OS-iOS-Internals-Apples/dp/111805...

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by mscasts »

I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible.

Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by nautical »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #256
webwielder2 wrote: post #3

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The Magic Keyboard design is not the 2012-2015 MBP keyboard design, it's the design from their line of external keyboards. iFixit's jokey intro is misleading in this regard.

I wish Apple released a butterfly switch external keyboard. I know I am in a minority here but I really loved these new flat keyboards on Macbooks and I'd love to have a keyboard like that for my Windows PC.

How long you have been using the keyboard ? Mine got screwed after couple of months of usage (I took really good care of it as I had read about the initial backlash)

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by nautical »

mscasts wrote: post #293

I love how Apple claim to care so much about the environment and then goes on to create basically the most unfixable pieces of hardware possible. Great job, really awesome for the environment Apple.

+ they will be charging absurd amount for small fixes that were possible to do on own.

example RAM is soldered to the logic board!

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jonny383 »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #285
jonny383 wrote: post #170

Seriously, fuck off, Apple. Gluing and rivets - does this actually accomplish any kind of real measurable cost-saving or just introduce bullshit vendor lock-in? Same deal for soldered RAM. Pro-tip for everyone wanting to LEAVE Tim Cook's sinking hardware ship: Buy a Dell XPS 15, install Linux and enjoy being able to: 1. Upgrade your own RAM 2. Install a second 2.5" SSD 3. Being able to easily remove components from t…

If you're "switching wireless cards" you're using computers as a toy. Wireless just works, these days. And if it doesn't, whatever Apple decided to put in MacBook is unlikely to be the culprit. If you consider recompiling kernels and and overclocking your caps lock LEDs to be fun that's fine, but don't delude yourself into thinking it has anything to do with productive work or professionalism.

Wireless, fair enough. But are you really ignorant enough to think it's not productive to

1. Buy a stick of RAM / new or bigger SSD from your provider of choice online 2. Open the delivery package and install it in your computer in 3 minutes

And get another three years out of your device? Or how about, when your Macbook breaks and you need to take it to a genius bar only to have them tell you that you need to order either a whole new logic board or buy a new computer. Both will require days of waiting.

It's because of people like you that Apple is increasingly producing and pushing worsening quality hardware and service.

EDIT: I should also mention, the XPS 15 is comparable in every aspect of the hardware. And the very thing you're complaining about "I don't want to change my hardware I just want to use it" is completely optional.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jonny383 »

thinkloop wrote: post #91

Why doesn't apple make the touchbar out of keys? The keys could be flat on top and seamlessly adjacent to one another to make a "bar", for sliders and such. But pressable like regular keys to make great buttons (most common use-case). I feel like that is inventable.

Here's a better idea: why don't apple just replace the touchbar with an actual keyboard!?!?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by gimboland »

ping_pong wrote: post #163

I just bought one and have been using it for a couple of days. So far so good. I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless, but the Esc key and directional keys was enough for me. I also have a 2018 MBP from work and the keyboard is shit. Within 3 weeks it was doubletyping and putting random .'s everywhere. I was days away from buying the top end Vaio and then I heard the news about the new MBP and deci…

Just to say, if you want to explore making the touchbar more useful, possibly check out BetterTouchTool [0]. I don't have a touchbar machine so I haven't tried out those features (I use BTT mainly for window control) but my understanding is that it can give you very good, more fine-grained, control over what the touchbar displays and how it behaves.

[0] https://folivora.ai/

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by WA »

akvadrako wrote: post #148
chmaynard wrote: post #109

A while back, I used to think hard about whether to purchase AppleCare to extend the warranty on a new MacBook Pro. Now, it's a no-brainer. Believe me, I know from hard experience that you won't regret it.

Well I bought AppleCare because of the keyboard and I regret it. They refused to fix the nonworking keys because of a 1mm scratch on the back of the top case, saying it voided the warranty. So just a few hundred additional bucks wasted.

I had the keyboard of my MBP 2017 replaced for free. Also, the display died roughly at the same time. At first, I thought it was a problem of the flex cable, but later I discovered a small crack. The Apple Store replaced the entire display for free, what is usually a $800 repair. I guess it depends a lot on the store, the country, maybe even the person you talk to.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by tiborsaas »

bilbo0s wrote: post #223
usaphp wrote: post #220

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Huh?? 64gb of ram, bigger screen, much more powerful GpU, bigger storage options, better thermals, better microphone, better speakers, bigger battery...it’s definitely not just “the same CPU” and a fixed keyboard”...not sure what else did you expect?

The 64GB of ram alone makes the new 16" a completely different machine. It really can't even be compared to the previous generations. 64 opens up a lot of possibilities in the media creation space that, realistically, were just not there with 32, and were pretty much impossible with 16 gig. Given a choice, I would much rather have had the 64 gig rather than a new keyboard. A keyboard you can put a cover on. There's n…

What's impossible with 16gig? Isn't disk cache a thing?
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