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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by matthewmacleod »

hvidgaard wrote: post #253
bilbo0s wrote: post #223

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The 64GB of ram alone makes the new 16" a completely different machine. It really can't even be compared to the previous generations. 64 opens up a lot of possibilities in the media creation space that, realistically, were just not there with 32, and were pretty much impossible with 16 gig. Given a choice, I would much rather have had the 64 gig rather than a new keyboard. A keyboard you can put a cover on. There's n…

If 64GiB of ram makes that difference, doesn't that work belong on a workstation with the power to handle it?

Right, and this machine moves further towards a portable workstation by embedding more power, allowing people to do some tasks on-site that would have previously required a fixed workstation.

The “but why would you want a powerful portable machine” argument has always seemed really strange to me. It’s the same reason I’d want any portable machine.

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Post by gnicholas »

pwthornton wrote: post #16
webwielder2 wrote: post #3

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The Magic Keyboard design is not the 2012-2015 MBP keyboard design, it's the design from their line of external keyboards. iFixit's jokey intro is misleading in this regard.

This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

I love (and am typing this on) a bluetooth keyboard that came with my 2008 iMac. Is the "magic keyboard" (which apparently came out in 2015 and is lower-profile than its predecessors) sufficiently better to warrant the moniker "magic"?

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Post by _ph_ »

EpicEng wrote: post #32
bpye wrote: post #5

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But it's riveted to the chassis - you cannot replace the keyboard still.

Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

A modular, easy to repair system would be great, but I would settle for a repairable system. That is, that a trained technician can perform the repairs in a reasonable timeframe without throwing components away, which are not defective.

As long as the products are not repairable, we should call Apple out for not being as environment friendly, as they try to present themselves.

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Post by visarga »

dannyw wrote: post #245
torgian wrote: post #242

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That probably means the keyboard isn’t that good ;) Sloppiness shouldn’t make it feel better.

Instability allows you to know exactly where your fingertip is positioned once you know it.

Having the keycaps slightly curved inside allows for better finger positioning.

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Post by _ph_ »

henryfjordan wrote: post #56
jmfayard wrote: post #51

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It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.

You can totally run Windows or Linux on a macbook with some effort. Apple even built Bootcamp to make it easy to dual boot... Or are you saying you should be able to take OSX elsewhere? it's not a "monopoly" that Apple built OSX and only support it on their own hardware. It is not monopolistic to build something supported on one platform and not others.

The thing is, that if you want to run MacOS, you have to buy Apple hardware. There is no choice for MacOS users, so the market cannot decide whether they want more or less repairable laptops. You have to buy whatever Apple is offering.

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Post by ksec »

cassianoleal wrote: post #86
pwthornton wrote: post #16

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This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard. I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on. I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

>I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

This!. Along with smaller Keys and hence more spacing between keys. Little things like these you dont appreciate but you will notice once they are gone.

I love the instability.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by vaelin »

ping_pong wrote: post #163

I just bought one and have been using it for a couple of days. So far so good. I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless, but the Esc key and directional keys was enough for me. I also have a 2018 MBP from work and the keyboard is shit. Within 3 weeks it was doubletyping and putting random .'s everywhere. I was days away from buying the top end Vaio and then I heard the news about the new MBP and deci…

Is the screen noticeably larger than the 15 inch? I am thinking of buying one but can't get to a store to see it for myself.

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Post by jiofih »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

Not everybody hates the feel of the butterfly keyboard, I kinda like it too. The problem is in its reliability.

Anyone who works in a shop with a large population of Macs will have see them fail in droves. My 2016 has had the B and V keys fail, a couple keys falling out, and now spacebar and a few other keys come out duplicates every other sentence.

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Post by grenoire »

dddddaviddddd wrote: post #136
Mobius01 wrote: post #9

I just replaced the keyboard on a ThinkPad T440p, and it didn’t seem to add a significant bulk to the machine’s profile. It took me 2 minutes flat.

I'm a bit disappointed by the plastic tabs in newer ThinkPads -- managed to break a couple replacing the RAM in my T480.

Allegedly if you get better at it, you can safely remove them. Alas I already ran out of plastic tabs to break :^)

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Post by ksec »

choppaface wrote: post #217
JohnTHaller wrote: post #2

Most important point: Apple fixed the keyboard by ditching the flawed keyboard used for the past 3 years and returning to the Magic Keyboard scissor switch design. Comparing the 'new' keyboard to the Magic Keyboard: "side by side, we're hard pressed to spot any differences. Scissor switches, keycaps... There's slightly less space surrounding these new keys, and pundits will celebrate those reconfigured arrow keys—but…

Key travel for the 2016 is 1mm. The "bad" keyboards had 0.5-0.7mm travel. 2015 and earlier had 1.2-1.5mm travel. Not sure about the reliability of the new mechanism, but the 2016 keyboard does feel much more like the old 2015 one. https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/11/15/heres-what-the-16...

>Key travel for the 2016 is 1mm

Well even your article say the 2016 keyboard are the same to 2017 and 2018 which is 0.6-0.7mm. Although the general accepted Key Travel for 2016 - 2019 15"MBP are 0.5mm.

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