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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by hu3 »

robin_reala wrote: post #26
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Lowest score at ifixit is actually 0. Somewhat coincidentally, that’s the score the original Surface Laptop got: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea...

Interesting to see that Microsoft improved Surface repairability from 0 to 5 while making it lighter than latest MacBook which scores 1.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by Tagbert »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

Besides reliability, the problem with the butterfly for me was the close inter-key spacing. It was too easy to hit the next key over while I was typing. I kept having to back up and retype. it took most of the last year before I, mostly, got used to it. The travel or stability was never a problem, but then it was never a problem on the 2014 either. :)

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ping_pong »

I just bought one and have been using it for a couple of days. So far so good. I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless, but the Esc key and directional keys was enough for me.

I also have a 2018 MBP from work and the keyboard is shit. Within 3 weeks it was doubletyping and putting random .'s everywhere.

I was days away from buying the top end Vaio and then I heard the news about the new MBP and decided to go for the MBP instead.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

tracker1 wrote: post #144
EpicEng wrote: post #32

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Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

I'd be surprised if within the next two years, the regular MBP is ARM, and the pro follows the next year. I've already abandoned my macs...

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they go that way too. When I first heard that rumor, I thought "never!". But now I'm like... "hmm, hooray battery life, an OS that more fluidly switches from mobile to desktop, maybe not a bad option". Plus ARM is only getting faster/more powerful. Yeah yeah, apple will probably go the way of locking the OS down more, and thats a major buzkill/non-starter, but otherwise I think it's an intriguing concept. Convince me otherwise, I want to hear what huge drawbacks you see to having an ARM laptop.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by tolmasky »

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine.

It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait.

The struggle continues for us 13ers I’m afraid. Not really excited to drop $3K+ on an even larger form factor I haven’t been excited about for upwards of 5 years (and being forced to upgrade to Catalina) just to fix what is now universally understood to be a defective keyboard design.

I’m fairly convinced that this whole speaker business was to have something, anything, to differentiate it from the current models other than fixing the keyboard, and probably delayed this release. Someone said “we can’t seriously just ship a new laptop, with the same CPU as the current models, and just fix the keyboards!” It wouldn’t surprise me if the 13s haven’t come out yet for a similar reason.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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ping_pong wrote: post #163

I just bought one and have been using it for a couple of days. So far so good. I still hate the TouchBar because it's completely useless, but the Esc key and directional keys was enough for me. I also have a 2018 MBP from work and the keyboard is shit. Within 3 weeks it was doubletyping and putting random .'s everywhere. I was days away from buying the top end Vaio and then I heard the news about the new MBP and deci…

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I'm with you. There are probably dozens of us. But really, the loudest ones in the room are always the ones that got screwed over by the keyboad. I love the way the butterfly types, and 1+ year in, I've had no issues. Let's just hope it lasts another 6. I got 7 years out of an Air (replaced the battery in year 6), and I'm hoping to get as much out of a way more expensive pro...

I'm also curious as to if the keyboards are different sizes on 13in v. 15in models. As in, are all the problems/complaints stemming from the 13in models?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by friedman23 »

tolmasky wrote: post #165

I went with my gf to take a look at these last night at the Apple store. Her command key has completely stopped working on her 2018 MacBook that otherwise works perfectly fine. It feels clumsily large, especially since we’re coming from MacBook 13s. She kept asking me if I’d heard any rumors about when new 13s would come out. She went in pretty determined to get a new machine but decided to wait. The struggle continu…

I'm a power user and I'm really surprised you looked at this release as "just" fixing the keyboard. I'm more excited about this release than any other macbook release in the past 3 years. Increased base hd size, new graphics card with performance that stomps the previous model, more available RAM, the largest battery legally possible on a laptop, and a larger screen in the same form factor as the previous 15 inch model. There are actually no downsides to this laptop except the touch bar.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jonny383 »

Seriously, fuck off, Apple. Gluing and rivets - does this actually accomplish any kind of real measurable cost-saving or just introduce bullshit vendor lock-in? Same deal for soldered RAM.

Pro-tip for everyone wanting to LEAVE Tim Cook's sinking hardware ship: Buy a Dell XPS 15, install Linux and enjoy being able to:

1. Upgrade your own RAM 2. Install a second 2.5" SSD 3. Being able to easily remove components from the notebook 4. Replace your own battery 5. Switch your Wireless card

And considering the train-wreck that was macOS Catalina, Linux actually looks stable in comparison.

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