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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by philsnow »

berbec wrote: post #39
smilekzs wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1. The serviceability of ThinkPads had always been a great (if not hidden) feature, almost allowing Ship-of-Theseus-ish rolling upgrades like a desktop. Even though the build quality has generally declined since the T410 era, this at least has been preserved (I have a company-issued P50 and it's still a few screws away from changing RAM and SSD).

I replaced the trackpad on an x240 and it took me 2 hours and a few broken spudgers. I would have been able to swap everything else out first, as the touchpad was buried under motherboard, keyboard, hard drives etc.

I replaced the AC barrel connector on an x220, which required removing every single part from the chassis. It took me probably four hours all told, and a few gray hairs (it was my wife's laptop, and yes I had a backup of everything on it, but didn't want to need to replace it).

An Apple laptop would have been shipped off who knows where for three weeks, if fixing that part were even possible.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jraph »

esmi wrote: post #160
jraph wrote: post #154

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You are implying that an article that is only two years old is too old, precising that you don't know if things have changed (thank you for your honesty by the way). Apple forces recyclers to shred perfectly good hardware indiscriminately, against their will, so it does not hurt Apple's bottom line. When you are the richest company in the world, surely you can do better. There is no excuse. I cannot take Apple's own…

> You are implying that an article that is only two years old is too old, No. I’m stating that policy changed after this article was published, who knows maybe it was in response to this article, so the facts may have changed. The age of the article is not relevant I was just showing the timeline. > Apple forces recyclers to shred perfectly good hardware indiscriminately Says the recyclers. Apple says they are not pe…

>> You are implying that an article that is only two years old is too old,

> No. I’m stating that policy changed after this article was published, who knows maybe it was in response to this article, so the facts may have changed

Ok, that was a more charitable and likely interpretation of your message. A bit of bad faith unfortunately slipped in my last comment. Sorry for that.

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Post by danpalmer »

jerrre wrote: post #280
ksec wrote: post #277

For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade, ( If you are on 2015 MBP ), the next upgrade which should be soon, will get you WiFi 6 and Icelake, with 20%+ IPC and hopefully Apple will throw in 10 Core Config in as well. I kind of felt Apple rushed as the problem with Keyboard were big enough and Apple had to release something to calm the market, not to mention Intel 10nm Icelake is late as usual. And of all the thing…

do you have a source?

These will likely be features of the Intel product lineup, which is a lot more public than Apples roadmap but which is very intertwined for anything processor related, which likely includes WiFi.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by pjmlp »

hvidgaard wrote: post #253
bilbo0s wrote: post #223

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The 64GB of ram alone makes the new 16" a completely different machine. It really can't even be compared to the previous generations. 64 opens up a lot of possibilities in the media creation space that, realistically, were just not there with 32, and were pretty much impossible with 16 gig. Given a choice, I would much rather have had the 64 gig rather than a new keyboard. A keyboard you can put a cover on. There's n…

If 64GiB of ram makes that difference, doesn't that work belong on a workstation with the power to handle it?

Modern workstations are laptops with docking stations, for example ThinkPad P50.

Those bulky desktops of yore are now clustered pizza boxes.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by IAmEveryone »

jonny383 wrote: post #170

Seriously, fuck off, Apple. Gluing and rivets - does this actually accomplish any kind of real measurable cost-saving or just introduce bullshit vendor lock-in? Same deal for soldered RAM. Pro-tip for everyone wanting to LEAVE Tim Cook's sinking hardware ship: Buy a Dell XPS 15, install Linux and enjoy being able to: 1. Upgrade your own RAM 2. Install a second 2.5" SSD 3. Being able to easily remove components from t…

If you're "switching wireless cards" you're using computers as a toy. Wireless just works, these days. And if it doesn't, whatever Apple decided to put in MacBook is unlikely to be the culprit.

If you consider recompiling kernels and and overclocking your caps lock LEDs to be fun that's fine, but don't delude yourself into thinking it has anything to do with productive work or professionalism.

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Post by ralfd »

ksec wrote: post #277

For those who are not in a hurry to upgrade, ( If you are on 2015 MBP ), the next upgrade which should be soon, will get you WiFi 6 and Icelake, with 20%+ IPC and hopefully Apple will throw in 10 Core Config in as well. I kind of felt Apple rushed as the problem with Keyboard were big enough and Apple had to release something to calm the market, not to mention Intel 10nm Icelake is late as usual. And of all the thing…

AFAIK the current available Icelake CPUs are low power (9-15 Watt) and have only 4 cores. For the MacBook Pro Intel has to release something beefier.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ralfd »

jmull wrote: post #116
LeoPanthera wrote: post #79

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The keycaps are replacable but the keyswitches are not. I don't know of any Apple laptop that ever had replacable keyswitches.

It looks like the white piece beneath the keycap (I guess that's the "scissor mechanism") is replaceable too.

Apple statement wouldn't make sense otherwise. The point of failure is the scissor mechanism and I never heard of a key cap breaking.

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Post by arrrg »

_bxg1 wrote: post #89

iFixit can't cover an Apple device without injecting just a bit of snark and passive-aggression into it. People who buy these things know what they're getting. Score it how you want to, but spare me the sermon.

iFixit are not even pretending to be a neutral party here. They have a clear agenda and a clear viewpoint and that is very much the point. And there is nothing wrong with that.

While I agree with them in broad strokes I also disagree on some points but that’s not the end of the world. We just disagree and that’s alright.

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

robertoandred wrote: post #122
Havoc wrote: post #82

Those half sized up/down cursor keys - does nobody within Apple use spreadsheets? I get that it's not their primary audience but surely of all the keys you'd want to mini-fy cursor would be one of the last?

Are you saying that spreadsheet users would not benefit from keys that are easier to use by feel?

Note: they were talking about the size rather than the layout. I think the OP wants full-size cursor keys in an inverted T layout, which does sound like the best of both worlds to me.

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Post by cameldrv »

krisgenre wrote: post #194
grecy wrote: post #188

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I recently bought a used 2015 13inch MPB. Extremely happy.

I bought the same in 2016. Last year the speakers got fried and since few months back it has started to shut down abruptly. The max time I can use it now is only around 30 mins :(

Good news! The battery was likely recalled for your laptop. Check the Apple site. If it's in the serial number range, you get a free new battery.
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