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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by fancyfish »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I felt likewise and enjoy the key travel. I do type faster on it and find it overall pleasant. Then again I’m wary of getting anything under the keys and worried for the day one or more keys stop working properly. Hard to tell what the actual failure rate is.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by Havoc »

Those half sized up/down cursor keys - does nobody within Apple use spreadsheets?

I get that it's not their primary audience but surely of all the keys you'd want to mini-fy cursor would be one of the last?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by eanzenberg »

JBiserkov wrote: post #19
Basketb926 wrote: post #4

Repairability 1/10

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

>> Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine.

That's just like, your opinion dude. Take a look at the logic board. Given the thinness of the device, every piece of it is designed and stuck in place. Nothing here is plug/play. If modularity is important to someone, and thinness is not, then they're free to look elsewhere for a machine.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by zabuni »

rconti wrote: post #72

I don't get their dust-proofing membrane comment: > News flash: there's not even a dust-proofing membrane on these new switches. We're inclined to take this as a very good sign. (It means we can finally eat Doritos during teardowns again.) That sounds counter-intuitive. Can someone explain?

They don't have the membrane because they don't need it. With the old keyboards, any spec of dust would cause them to stick. That means these are back to the original, non-fragile keyboards with good travel.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by passive »

htk wrote: post #27
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

Nothing wrong with your argument theoretically, but the Surface with a 5/10 score is 3.4 lbs, while this 1/10 Macbook is 4.3 lbs.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by cassianoleal »

pwthornton wrote: post #16
webwielder2 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Magic Keyboard design is not the 2012-2015 MBP keyboard design, it's the design from their line of external keyboards. iFixit's jokey intro is misleading in this regard.

This is correct. The Magic keyboard has been beloved for several years, and it is not a keyboard that has ever been in a laptop before.

Personally, I prefer the MBP2015 keyboard to the Magic Keyboard.

I have been to an Apple Store recently to try out the MBP16's keyboard and it's good - but not as good as the one I'm typing this on.

I also don't understand the obsession with key stability on the corners. I like the instability. I use it when I'm touch typing - it gives my fingers a lot more tactile feedback.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by hk__2 »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #64
Tepix wrote: post #11

It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

Im so tired of these comments on HN. Some people want a laptop they can pull apart and fix themselves. Those people should buy something else. when I was younger and had more time than money, I used to upgrade RAM and the SSD myself. Then I started making money. Then it became seriously dumb to spend 2 hours doing all that nonsense when I can just pay upfront to get a maxed out RAM and Hard drive. Can’t afford it? Th…

> Im so tired of these comments on HN. Some people want a laptop they can pull apart and fix themselves. Those people should buy something else.

The issue arises when you want a laptop you can pull apart and fix yourself AND macOS. You can’t buy something else.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by eanzenberg »

jmfayard wrote: post #51
htk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.

Thing is, "most" people aren't buying desktop OS's to begin with these days. Some do. I run 3 OS's in total for my personal use.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by _bxg1 »

iFixit can't cover an Apple device without injecting just a bit of snark and passive-aggression into it. People who buy these things know what they're getting. Score it how you want to, but spare me the sermon.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by wtallis »

dijit wrote: post #61
asciident wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ones last longer?

MLC would last longer than 3D NAND, SLC would last significantly longer than both; but nobody is shipping SLC for at least 5 years now it seems :(

Nobody is manufacturing planar NAND flash memory in high volume or in die sizes large enough to fit multiple TBs of flash into a notebook. The only viable options currently being manufactured are all 3D NAND. The vast majority of this (and what is used by almost all SSDs across all market segments) is 3D TLC NAND flash memory—TLC meaning it stores 3 bits per physical memory cell. MLC would typically refer to storing two bits per cell, SLC means one bit per cell, and QLC means four bits per cell.

There is no reason to prefer MLC these days. TLC has plenty of write endurance for client/consumer usage. MLC offers theoretical advantages in performance and endurance, but these are absolutely not worth the higher cost that comes from lower density. (And that's comparing 3D MLC against 3D TLC; high-density planar MLC loses against 3D TLC on all counts.) There is a niche market for SLC NAND in high-performance server applications that need the lowest possible latency from their SSDs, and Samsung and Toshiba are currently manufacturing memory to suit this use case. But it again has density too low for multi-TB SSDs to fit into a laptop.

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