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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I don't get their dust-proofing membrane comment: > News flash: there's not even a dust-proofing membrane on these new switches. We're inclined to take this as a very good sign. (It means we can finally eat Doritos during teardowns again.) That sounds counter-intuitive. Can someone explain?

The first butterfly keyboard design had problems with dust intruding and breaking the delicate switches. The second butterfly keyboard design was claimed "fixed" by adding the dust-proofing membrane.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Not sure why you were being downvoted. That was iFixit's final repairability score. Their summary... Pluses: The trackpad can still be removed and replaced with very little drama. Minuses Minor components are modular, but the processor, RAM, and flash memory are soldered to the logic board. Glue and/or rivets secure the keyboard, battery, speakers, and Touch Bar, making those components a tricky fix. The Touch ID sen…

> Not sure why you were being downvoted. HN is not without it's fanboys. Or it could just be that it was presented as a fact with no surround discussion? No HN value-add, as it were.

The facts were in the article, OP was just highlighting an interesting part of the article.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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post #9

I just replaced the keyboard on a ThinkPad T440p, and it didn’t seem to add a significant bulk to the machine’s profile. It took me 2 minutes flat.

+1. The serviceability of ThinkPads had always been a great (if not hidden) feature, almost allowing Ship-of-Theseus-ish rolling upgrades like a desktop. Even though the build quality has generally declined since the T410 era, this at least has been preserved (I have a company-issued P50 and it's still a few screws away from changing RAM and SSD).

This is part of why I bought an E4xx instead of a T4xx, the RAM isn't soldered on in the E4xx line, so that's at least one thing I can fix that I can't on a T4xx.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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post #127

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Isn't this bullshit? Apple Forces Recyclers to Shred All iPhones and MacBooks - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recycling-ip... Anyway, the best waste is the one that does not exist, recycling should be last resort since it's often far from perfect and costly too. So we should reduce the amount of things we need to recycle in the first place. As for computer parts, I cannot see how it can be efficient…

The article is from 2017 and references data from 2016 and 2012. In 2018 Apple announced it stepped up its recycling efforts but I don’t know how things have changed and I haven’t read the full environmental report. Apple forces recyclers to shred because they determined those devices are not fit for resale and they don’t want recyclers reselling them, like they said they would in the article. This happens to 1/3 of…

You are implying that an article that is only two years old is too old, precising that you don't know if things have changed (thank you for your honesty by the way).

Apple forces recyclers to shred perfectly good hardware indiscriminately, against their will, so it does not hurt Apple's bottom line. When you are the richest company in the world, surely you can do better. There is no excuse.

I cannot take Apple's own 2 MB, 55 request loading marketing material about environment as a reliable source.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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post #143

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Im so tired of these comments on HN. Some people want a laptop they can pull apart and fix themselves. Those people should buy something else. when I was younger and had more time than money, I used to upgrade RAM and the SSD myself. Then I started making money. Then it became seriously dumb to spend 2 hours doing all that nonsense when I can just pay upfront to get a maxed out RAM and Hard drive. Can’t afford it? Th…

> Then it became seriously dumb to spend 2 hours It doesn't have to be 2 hours. It doesn't have to be more than 5-10 minutes. > I can just pay upfront to get a maxed out RAM and Hard drive. Yes, but you can't pay upfront and get a SSD that will be launched in 2023. You'll be forever stuck with whatever tech was available at the time of purchase. > I honestly don’t underatand this constant complaining about repairing…

> Yes, but you can't pay upfront and get a SSD that will be launched in 2023. You'll be forever stuck with whatever tech was available at the time of purchase.

Given that the SSDs you can buy right now outstrip the IO bandwidth your laptop CPU provides, the only real benefit that upgrading to future SSDs could provide would be a better price per GB. If you're seriously concerned about wanting more storage a few years down the road, you probably also want to buy a machine now and immediately upgrade it with aftermarket storage.

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post #55

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They 100% won't if people don't complain. But people complain, so there's still a chance.

Realistically the chance is slim. It's likely an ingrained Apple culture thing going all the way back to when Steve didn't even want the case of the Apple II to be able to be opened.

For a while they built computers to be servicable. See the ibook or the original unibody macbooks. It changed recently at least only in 2012.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Some people don't mind throwing a few grand every couple of years on a new machine. You see the same with the phones, they cost a fair bit but people just buy them anyway. A little annoying that certain things aren't simple a socket that can be replaced though.

That's an interesting point. I'm one of those people who pays ~$60/month on Apple's 0% iPhone loan plan. When my phone is paid off in a couple of months I would gladly pay $100/month for a 0% Apple loan on a low- to mid-range MacBook. I wonder if this will ever become an option.

Why not buy new and resell every year? Should probably work out to be half the monthly price at least. Sheesh.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I felt the same way until my butterfly keyboard gradually stopped working and I went back to my old 2014 MBP keyboard, and realized I had developed Stockholm Syndrome. If you haven't already, try switching back to the old (or new) scissor keys and see if you still feel the same.

I don’t mind the travel but I do mind my broken command key, very wobbly keys and double entries.

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post #149

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The article is from 2017 and references data from 2016 and 2012. In 2018 Apple announced it stepped up its recycling efforts but I don’t know how things have changed and I haven’t read the full environmental report. Apple forces recyclers to shred because they determined those devices are not fit for resale and they don’t want recyclers reselling them, like they said they would in the article. This happens to 1/3 of…

You are implying that an article that is only two years old is too old, precising that you don't know if things have changed (thank you for your honesty by the way). Apple forces recyclers to shred perfectly good hardware indiscriminately, against their will, so it does not hurt Apple's bottom line. When you are the richest company in the world, surely you can do better. There is no excuse. I cannot take Apple's own…

> You are implying that an article that is only two years old is too old,

No. I’m stating that policy changed after this article was published, who knows maybe it was in response to this article, so the facts may have changed. The age of the article is not relevant I was just showing the timeline.

> Apple forces recyclers to shred perfectly good hardware indiscriminately

Says the recyclers. Apple says they are not perfectly good hardware, otherwise they would have refurbished it themselves. I also believe Apple maximizes profit which is why I believe if it was reliably repairable, they would have done it. A refurbishment unit has to fetch more than a recycled unit.

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