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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jmfayard »

htk wrote: post #27
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by Someone1234 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #34

>The X-rays make it even angrier! Run away! Luckily our friends at Creative Electron are taking all the risk here—we'll resume disassembly after things calm down. Not sure what is the allusion to here, but anyone else noticed static discharge you get after airport xray scans your macbook?

I believe that is caused by the rubber conveyor belt carrying the laptop through in a nylon bag rather than the x-ray itself. You can get the same effect from other non-x-ray conveyor belts at the airport.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jraph »

htk wrote: post #27
JBiserkov wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable.

We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be demanded at any cost. Anyway, repairable is convenient.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #12
Basketb926 wrote: post #4

Repairability 1/10

Not sure why you were being downvoted. That was iFixit's final repairability score. Their summary... Pluses: The trackpad can still be removed and replaced with very little drama. Minuses Minor components are modular, but the processor, RAM, and flash memory are soldered to the logic board. Glue and/or rivets secure the keyboard, battery, speakers, and Touch Bar, making those components a tricky fix. The Touch ID sen…

> Not sure why you were being downvoted.

HN is not without it's fanboys.

Or it could just be that it was presented as a fact with no surround discussion? No HN value-add, as it were.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jotm »

EpicEng wrote: post #32
bpye wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's riveted to the chassis - you cannot replace the keyboard still.

Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

They 100% won't if people don't complain. But people complain, so there's still a chance.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by henryfjordan »

jmfayard wrote: post #51
htk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

It's not a free market. Apple has a monopoly on Mac OS alas. Most people don't change their operating system and habits just like that.

You can totally run Windows or Linux on a macbook with some effort. Apple even built Bootcamp to make it easy to dual boot...

Or are you saying you should be able to take OSX elsewhere? it's not a "monopoly" that Apple built OSX and only support it on their own hardware. It is not monopolistic to build something supported on one platform and not others.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by daftdoki »

alberth wrote: post #50

Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

You're crazy.

Hey, you asked.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by braythwayt »

ergothus wrote: post #46
EpicEng wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

While you make a solid point about likely behavior, I'm sure there are those that said Microsoft will never cooperate with Linux. "Never" is a bold word, and it's worth highlighting things like a hard-to-replace/repair keyboard to keep on that tiny bit of pressure to change (how often have you been in a meeting where "customers aren't asking for this" came up as a justification to not make a change?). Also, just to l…

Perhaps another way to put it is, "This iteration of Apple will never..."

Which carries with it a significant piece of information: Someone saying this is claiming that there is some structural or cultural obstacle, and that the company would have to change its nature in order to effect the requried change.

That was the case with Microsoft and Linux as well.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by ben-schaaf »

mumblemumble wrote: post #23
rahuldottech wrote: post #10

So no upgradable RAM, no upgradable storage. If either stops functioning, you have to change the entire logic board (including the CPU and GPU? I'm not sure). Wow this is a crappy design. But expected, since this is Apple that we're talking about.

What's interesting about this perception is that PC vendors who do the same things don't catch flak. Presumably because there are still options for PC that are at least theoretically repairable and built to last. I wonder what would happen in a hypothetical world where there were pro and non-Pro Apple laptops, but the only real difference between them were that the Pro laptops had replaceable parts, and were however…

In my experience they do catch fairly significant flak. It's usually in the form of: This other laptop is pretty much identical except you can replace the ram and storage, so buy that instead.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Post by jotm »

jraph wrote: post #53
htk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable. We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be dem…

I'll take one for the Apple consumers team: fuck the environment.
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