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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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post #82

Those half sized up/down cursor keys - does nobody within Apple use spreadsheets? I get that it's not their primary audience but surely of all the keys you'd want to mini-fy cursor would be one of the last?

Are you saying that spreadsheet users would not benefit from keys that are easier to use by feel?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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+1. The serviceability of ThinkPads had always been a great (if not hidden) feature, almost allowing Ship-of-Theseus-ish rolling upgrades like a desktop. Even though the build quality has generally declined since the T410 era, this at least has been preserved (I have a company-issued P50 and it's still a few screws away from changing RAM and SSD).

I replaced the trackpad on an x240 and it took me 2 hours and a few broken spudgers. I would have been able to swap everything else out first, as the touchpad was buried under motherboard, keyboard, hard drives etc.

That is essentially the feature of the “good” thinkpads. You can replace almost anything, but the whole thing is built in this weird upside-down way and replacing anything that you really want to replace means that you have to take the whole thing almost completely apart. On the other hand if you read the official procedure for that and take inspiration from that, the only tool you really need to take it completely apart and assemble back is literally an cheapest swiss army knife which includes philips screwdriver.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable. We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be dem…

You can’t dump a laptop in a blue bin but you can recycle it. You can also resell or get a trade-in credit from Apple.

https://www.apple.com/recycling/nationalservices/

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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So no upgradable RAM, no upgradable storage. If either stops functioning, you have to change the entire logic board (including the CPU and GPU? I'm not sure). Wow this is a crappy design. But expected, since this is Apple that we're talking about.

Physical connectors are a main cause of those things no longer functioning. Their absence improves reliability significantly.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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post #124
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In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable. We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be dem…

You can’t dump a laptop in a blue bin but you can recycle it. You can also resell or get a trade-in credit from Apple. https://www.apple.com/recycling/nationalservices/

Isn't this bullshit?

Apple Forces Recyclers to Shred All iPhones and MacBooks - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recycling-ip...

Anyway, the best waste is the one that does not exist, recycling should be last resort since it's often far from perfect and costly too. So we should reduce the amount of things we need to recycle in the first place. As for computer parts, I cannot see how it can be efficient.

Reusing working stuff is good though, obviously.

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I think there were issues with Linux at some point because of the nonstandard NVMe drive that Apple was using. Were those ever fixed?

I'm not sure, I've never tried installing Linux on a Macbook Pro. I know that it is/was possible for certain hardware but also that it was never easy or straight forward. Apple doesn't help but they aren't making their laptops reject unsigned code or anything like they do for the phones. Given that OSX and Linux are so similar under the hood and that standing up a VM is so easy, I've never really seen the point of in…

> Given that OSX and Linux are so similar under the hood and that standing up a VM is so easy

Similar in what way?

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Would have hoped a note on the screen cable for this one. Wasn't a breaking/failing ribbon cable the biggest problem after the keyboard for that last couple of years models?

The stage light flaw. Happened because Apple made the cable between the mainboard and the display panel in too short. Excacerbated because Apple soldered the cable to the display panel turning a $6 repair into a $600 repair.

Rossman's video from January details the stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzjoELvrkYo

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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A while back, I used to think hard about whether to purchase AppleCare to extend the warranty on a new MacBook Pro. Now, it's a no-brainer. Believe me, I know from hard experience that you won't regret it.

The lack of repairability and fragility of recent models has driven up the repair price and the need for repairs so much it makes AppleCare vital now. Apple outright lied in Europe for years about warranty duration to upsell AppleCare and went to court multiple times before they stopped, these "replace most of the computer" repairs might be nothing more than a dark pattern sales optimization. During iFixit's live teardown of this device it turned out there was plenty of space for socketed ram and storage, as is consistent with devices much smaller.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/253151/eu_law_forces_apple_t...

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