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MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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I just replaced the keyboard on a ThinkPad T440p, and it didn’t seem to add a significant bulk to the machine’s profile. It took me 2 minutes flat.

I'm a bit disappointed by the plastic tabs in newer ThinkPads -- managed to break a couple replacing the RAM in my T480.

Had the same problem on my X1. Broke one a few days after I purchased it replacing the ssd.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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Most important point: Apple fixed the keyboard by ditching the flawed keyboard used for the past 3 years and returning to the Magic Keyboard scissor switch design. Comparing the 'new' keyboard to the Magic Keyboard: "side by side, we're hard pressed to spot any differences. Scissor switches, keycaps... There's slightly less space surrounding these new keys, and pundits will celebrate those reconfigured arrow keys—but…

I personally dislike the shortened left and right arrow keys.

Where can I raise a mob to clamor about it so I can have the full-sized keys back in 3 years?

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It‘s not a very professional device if you can‘t upgrade the storage and the memory. The Mac Pro will feature modular SSDs (and they aren‘t even super fast). I wonder if Apple will use something proprietary or standard M.2 NVMe modules. They probably can‘t offer PCIe 4.0 slots since they‘re using Intel which is trailing behind.

Im so tired of these comments on HN. Some people want a laptop they can pull apart and fix themselves. Those people should buy something else. when I was younger and had more time than money, I used to upgrade RAM and the SSD myself. Then I started making money. Then it became seriously dumb to spend 2 hours doing all that nonsense when I can just pay upfront to get a maxed out RAM and Hard drive. Can’t afford it? Th…

> Then it became seriously dumb to spend 2 hours

It doesn't have to be 2 hours. It doesn't have to be more than 5-10 minutes.

> I can just pay upfront to get a maxed out RAM and Hard drive.

Yes, but you can't pay upfront and get a SSD that will be launched in 2023. You'll be forever stuck with whatever tech was available at the time of purchase.

> I honestly don’t underatand this constant complaining about repairing laptops yourselves. What a waste of time! Leave it to the Apple store techs to do it for you.

Apple can't repair them either, the design is unrepairable, that's why the failing keyboards were such a fuck-up. They had to throw away the whole top half of the chassis because keyboard was riveted to it. It's as anti-consumer and anti-environment as it gets. Given the growing electronic waste problem, I expect such practices to be outlawed sooner or later, and I'm somewhat surprised that Apple isn't already positioning itself as leader in long-lasting products that extract maximum value from natural resources put into them. Repairability and upgradability are cornerstones of environmentally responsible business, but Apple seems to be heading in the opposite direction.

Re: MacBook Pro 16" 2019 Teardown

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But it's riveted to the chassis - you cannot replace the keyboard still.

Apple will never give you a modular, easy to repair system. It just isn't going to happen, time to move on.

I'd be surprised if within the next two years, the regular MBP is ARM, and the pro follows the next year. I've already abandoned my macs...

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Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

In a world where sourcing materials and building computer parts that cannot be recycled has such a high environmental and societal cost, no, I can't find any way of seeing this as acceptable. We should not let the market and consumers preference decide on this. We need informed, resonnable and thoughful decisions. If it leads to laptops a bit more heavy and thick but less wasteful, so be it. Convenience cannot be dem…

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Call me crazy but I must be the only person who enjoys typing on the old butterfly keyboard. Yes I was one of those people who originally thought the travel was too small but after using it for a couple hours I found the low travel was a huge relief to Carpal Tunnel and I also typed much faster. Maybe I have the only keyboard that “works” but I love me some butterfly keyboards.

I felt the same way until my butterfly keyboard gradually stopped working and I went back to my old 2014 MBP keyboard, and realized I had developed Stockholm Syndrome. If you haven't already, try switching back to the old (or new) scissor keys and see if you still feel the same.

Agreed - I used the 2017 model for a couple years and no complaints about the feel, just the non-working keys. But I didn’t realize that my typing had gotten slower and less precise.

I switched to the X1C7 and will prioritize key travel and response from now on.

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But it's riveted to the chassis - you cannot replace the keyboard still.

This is something I don't get. It would have been reasonable to design the keybord that it can be exchanged, even if it some effort. While I like the improvents of this iteration, it shouldn't be that unrepairable. A MB Pro is an expensive device, but that is ok, if you get the appropriate quality. Making the machine a write off, if there is a problem after the mandatory Apple-care runs out, does mean it is much less…

They do it for stiffness, which does improve the typing experience.

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A while back, I used to think hard about whether to purchase AppleCare to extend the warranty on a new MacBook Pro. Now, it's a no-brainer. Believe me, I know from hard experience that you won't regret it.

Well I bought AppleCare because of the keyboard and I regret it. They refused to fix the nonworking keys because of a 1mm scratch on the back of the top case, saying it voided the warranty.

So just a few hundred additional bucks wasted.

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You can’t dump a laptop in a blue bin but you can recycle it. You can also resell or get a trade-in credit from Apple. https://www.apple.com/recycling/nationalservices/

Isn't this bullshit? Apple Forces Recyclers to Shred All iPhones and MacBooks - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yp73jw/apple-recycling-ip... Anyway, the best waste is the one that does not exist, recycling should be last resort since it's often far from perfect and costly too. So we should reduce the amount of things we need to recycle in the first place. As for computer parts, I cannot see how it can be efficient…

The article is from 2017 and references data from 2016 and 2012. In 2018 Apple announced it stepped up its recycling efforts but I don’t know how things have changed and I haven’t read the full environmental report.

Apple forces recyclers to shred because they determined those devices are not fit for resale and they don’t want recyclers reselling them, like they said they would in the article. This happens to 1/3 of trade-ins, see link below.

https://www.apple.com/environment/

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I don't know why you're being downvoted. Maybe for spoiling the end result? Haha. Having the lowest repairability possible should not be acceptable for such a high-end machine. Microsoft Surface Laptop 3 got 5/10 (23 October 2019) https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+3+(...

Why shouldn’t it be acceptable? I for one accept to trade repairability for less footprint/weight. And I also admire my ThinkPad T420 that I thoroughly hacked. Let the market decide what it wants. There’s space for all kinds os laptops and gadgets.

I can give you a good reason. Last time my mac had a problem and I went to an authorized company that fixes macs the report they gave me was: "There's a problem with the logic board, we need to replace it, but we can't assure you that will fix it, if problem persists we will replace the other components until it works, you'll have to keep paying."

I asked what was the exact nature of the problem. The answer was "Electrical", whatever that means.

I think it was the worst repair experience I ever had. I would have ended up paying half to two thirds the price of the mac probably because of a broken tiny component somewhere. Also I'm not allowed to keep broken components for later personal inspection (apparently apple does not allow it).

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