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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by JackRabbitSlim »

driverdan wrote: post #185
rvz wrote: post #30

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> A chilling effect on free speech. Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. This would have been a huge problem in 2012, Now there are realistic solutions to avoid this. Just pay by cryptocurrencies on to a Coinbase Card and you can withdraw the cash and pay anonymously. Job done.

Coinbase has essentially become another bank. They go well beyond KYC requirements and have banned people for things they don't like.

Citation needed. Like not saying I don't believe it, just want details.

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Post by [deleted] »

Jamwinner wrote: post #216
rationalfaith wrote: post #199

Porn is ripe with human trafficking and its consumption is violently destructive to individuals and relationships. Source: http://yourbrainonporn.com/ In the future, when people stop acting so ignorant, it'll be categorized as a threat to society in corrupting objective, rational and clear thinking. Everything in extremes is bad, even freedom.

Are you here just to troll?

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Post by zelly »

x220 wrote: post #173
Amezarak wrote: post #158

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Bitcoin’s use case for this is limited. If I were to purchase a product or service that might be subject to deplatforming, it’d better be anonymous, or I risk facing the social sanctions instead. “Amezarak’s bitcoin address sent 10BTC to a sex worker, fire him” is not a much better situation.

That's why you don't use a shitcoin, you use Monero.

I heard sex workers actually do use Monero when they use crypto (not BTC). It's funny how the supposedly bad UX doesn't matter when there's a compelling reason to use it.

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Post by short_sells_poo »

geomark wrote: post #257
bcheung wrote: post #247

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I've had several friends in the adult industry have their checking accounts closed at a several major banks as well. Traditional banking should definitely not be discriminating against fully legal activities.

This is the thing I find very disturbing. That an industry as highly regulated and essential to every day life as banking can pick and choose based on management's moral choices.

It's not a moral choice. It's a case of the business is not worth the hassle. KYC rules mean the bank is on the hook if they are found to harbor ill gotten gains and the sex industry had a some troubles in the past, while not producing enough volume on an individual level to make it worthwhile for a bank to overlook things.

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Post by stoptypingnow »

stale2002 wrote: post #227
Daishiman wrote: post #171

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And then you have to find a seller for BTC and deal with that hassle yourself.

Ok, but the buyers and sellers of BTC are discriminating very little, against perfectly legal activities, in the way that PayPal is doing it a lot. If I buy or sell BTC from coinbase, for example, they aren't going to care if the money came from the porn industry or not. That's the difference. Apparently, for some reason, PayPal is shutting down people who are doing perfectly legal stuff, but coinbase isn't, to the s…

I'm in the US and bought perfectly legal supplements from a US company using BTC from my Coinbase wallet. I and several other customers of this US company had our accounts terminated by Coinbase. This US company we bought supplements from also accepted and still accepts major credit cards. Coinbase certainly cares.

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Post by 1000units »

viraptor wrote: post #156
1000units wrote: post #151

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I've not provided my moral stance. Engage with what I actually said. For example, you might claim you are personally acquainted with porn actresses who lead healthy and productive lives. Or you might cite research showing they are less likely to abuse elicit recreational drugs, pursue psychiatric intervention, have histories of traumatic abuse, or commit suicide. Or you might discuss the various motivations that migh…

You've not provided anything - that's the problem. You posted an assertion and not backed it with anything substantial. Try to start with that.

Allow me to provide you something very concrete and convincing, a blank cheque. How much money will it take for me to ejaculate into your mouth on camera? You must play with it and pretend it tastes good before swallowing like in the videos. Logistics can be arranged via the email in my profile. If there is no such amount, please explain why. If it is an issue of sexual orientation, please extend this offer to your closest heterosexual female friend or family member. Thank you, and I look forward to our doing business together.

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Post by bduerst »

rvz wrote: post #95
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #48

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Cryptocoins aren't practical enough (yet?) to rely on completely for stuff like this. If the flow has any more friction than "payer enters their credit card info once, then agrees to send a value; payee receives it in their bank account at a set time and can immediately use it to buy groceries", it's going to seriously affect some people's incomes. I'm not downvoting you for that, FYI, but I am downvoting you for the…

> Cryptocoins aren't practical enough (yet?) to rely on completely for stuff like this. Really? I can understand "Bitcoin" as one of many cryptocurrencies that are unstable and very slow for these payments, but some cryptocurrencies are faster and cheaper than others and are suitable for this use-case. There are many ways to pay nowadays: 1. Scan a QR Code to send cryptocurrencies to the payee. 2. Type the address of…

But it's not that simple. How do you handle fraudulent paments when you can never refund a bitcoin transaction?

What about scale? If 20 million people used bitcoin, it would take over a month for a single transaction to process. You couldn't even use bitcoin to pay for rent on time.

And no, the solutions to these problems are tacked on and over-engineered, which to GP's point, is too complex for average payment users.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

1337biz wrote: post #243
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

To be honest I appreciate PayPal doing this. The more we see prominent cases of deplatforming, the more people are going to take it as a serious problem. One can always hide behind some pr bullshit when it comes to political free speech and so on. But porn it is finally something enough people care about to take it seriously.

It depends if the de-platforming is happening for reasons of social outrage / offense (bad) or commercial reasons (maybe not 'good' but at least 'better').

If it's about this particular industry sub-group having a much-higher-than-normal rate of fraud or returns or buyers remorse or whatever causes more hassle to PayPal's processes than they're worth, then that makes commercial sense.

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Post by TillE »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #51
scarface74 wrote: post #14

I’m the last person to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon, but this is one case where I think it’s warranted.

Bitcoin isn't good for transactions. It's too slow, too cumbersome for he average consumer and its value fluctuates so much that you'd have to have dynamic pricing. I love the idea of crypto currency and I really do think, one day, some form of it will be out future. But Bitcoin today just doesn't fit that bill at all.

Agreed. I'm very optimistic about cryptocurrency as tech in the longer term, but there are still a bunch of problems to be solved. The specific boosterism of Bitcoin is odd and probably counterproductive.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

devit wrote: post #224
zamadatix wrote: post #131

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Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…

I think the test should be whether another company could offer a service giving the same result. So for instance this would be fine: - A web hosting company refusing clients, because you can use another one - Amazon refusing to sell the item themselves, because other companies can sell on the Amazon marketplace - A bank refusing a client, since you can just use another bank This would not be fine: - Apple refusing to…

That's a good one. Expanding on the banking one. It would be one thing if Wells Fargo wouldn't do business with you. Is another that they flag your ChexSystems Report so you can't open an account anywhere else.
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