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What's the percentage of porn-related shadiness is because our society and business culture forces that? It seems similar to drug prohibitions etc. I haven't had to deal with a shady drug dealer in years now that weed is legal. Maybe if vice-clauses and the like weren't so ubiquitous we'd see more upright actors in the field.
Almost none of it. Mentally stable people do not want strangers to ejaculate into their mouth on camera for money. Those willing are easily taken advantage of. edit: Many downvotes! Let's hear the dissent. I'll faithfully engage. edit: 'dang, can we please remove flagging privileges from whoever targeted this comment? Thanks.
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There are plenty of porn friendly payment providers. They just cost a lot of money relative to "normal" merchants because of a few simple reasons: 1) Chargebacks -- people chargeback the shit out of these kinds of transactions. Significant other sees the bill, gets pissed / confused about the charge / whatever and gets it charged back. 2) Fraud -- people use stolen CC's to pay for this kind of thing. 3) Porn operator…
What's the percentage of porn-related shadiness is because our society and business culture forces that? It seems similar to drug prohibitions etc. I haven't had to deal with a shady drug dealer in years now that weed is legal. Maybe if vice-clauses and the like weren't so ubiquitous we'd see more upright actors in the field.
It is legal (in the US) for people (of legal age) to purchase pornography* .
The fact that there is a cultural disapproval of pornography is not that much like there being laws restricting it.
Also, some things should be socially discouraged while being legal.
If you mean this as purely a descriptive question, then I suppose that yes, if fewer contracts excluded pornographic content from some service, then (nearly tautologically) there would be more services which permit it, and this might make some able to be more trustworthy about things.
However, normatively, I think the fact that pornography is viewed negatively, at least in public, is a good thing.
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Nothing better than receiving your salary in a token with huge minute-to-minute volatility.
Crypto replaces a major painpoint (chargeback, getting 0% of your money) with a minor painpoint (volatility, losing or gaining There are other cryptocurrencies (eg Tether) that follow USD (eg 1 Tether is almost always equal to $1.00 USD), to avoid issues with volatility. I guess another issue is that you'd have to pay taxes on any gains/losses between receiving your crypto and cashing it in for USD, and that would be…
One of us is behind the times on Tether; last I heard they were in pretty significant legal/financial trouble re: money laundering, not actually having most of the backing dollars they claimed to, and possibly market manipulation.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are plenty of porn friendly payment providers. They just cost a lot of money relative to "normal" merchants because of a few simple reasons: 1) Chargebacks -- people chargeback the shit out of these kinds of transactions. Significant other sees the bill, gets pissed / confused about the charge / whatever and gets it charged back. 2) Fraud -- people use stolen CC's to pay for this kind of thing. 3) Porn operator…
> Porn operators are, as a whole, rather shady themselves and present their own set of risks to a payment provider. A lot of those chargebacks in #1 are actually valid chargebacks. ...is there a logical reason for this?
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> Real alternatives to paypal and credit cards need to enter the market. They already have. They're called cryptos. [edit]: judging by the downvotes, looks like the sheep instinct is strong on HN
Cryptocoins aren't practical enough (yet?) to rely on completely for stuff like this. If the flow has any more friction than "payer enters their credit card info once, then agrees to send a value; payee receives it in their bank account at a set time and can immediately use it to buy groceries", it's going to seriously affect some people's incomes. I'm not downvoting you for that, FYI, but I am downvoting you for the…
Really? I can understand "Bitcoin" as one of many cryptocurrencies that are unstable and very slow for these payments, but some cryptocurrencies are faster and cheaper than others and are suitable for this use-case.
There are many ways to pay nowadays:
1. Scan a QR Code to send cryptocurrencies to the payee.
2. Type the address of the recipient into the form / app and send the amount.
3. Coinbase Card number / crypto address.
No. (3) compliments the current fiat system and also works like a debit card, with several features: It allows the user to switch between multiple currencies in their Coinbase Card; not just Bitcoin. They can also withdraw from an ATM and receive its fiat currency and the card is compatible with direct debits.Depending on the cryptocurrency you use to send them over to another user, cryptocurrencies like Stellar and Ripple are much suitable for this and can be withdrawn into cash and can be sent faster than Bitcoin. No need for PayPal.
Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub
#96Otherwise, I see DAI token being ideal for this coupled with locking your DAI in MakerDAO [2] to earn interest.
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#97Perhaps an opportunity for Pornhub themselves to get into the payments business? I assume they have enough transactional volume and vendors to make it happen.
My hunch is that would incur unwanted liability from FOSTA-SESTA [1]. Producing content and paying talent out directly is fairly straightforward for adult entertainment. There be dragons if you're attempting to build a marketplace to do something similar. "The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as…
If they run any kind of subscription service aren't they already subject to much of the liability for this stuff anyway?
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost none of it. Mentally stable people do not want strangers to ejaculate into their mouth on camera for money. Those willing are easily taken advantage of. edit: Many downvotes! Let's hear the dissent. I'll faithfully engage. edit: 'dang, can we please remove flagging privileges from whoever targeted this comment? Thanks.
Define "mentally stable"? Deviance is a core part of the human identity, isn't it?
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20 years after the invention of the light bulb, one of the most important inventions of all time, only 3% in the U.S. were using it. We sometimes forget it, but a decade isn't a long time.
LOL. And don't forget it took tens to hundreds of thousands of years after the discovery of fire to adopt the internal combustion engine. A decade is an eternity in the tech world. If bitcoin had a use case, we'd all be using it by now.
We can message each other peer-to-peer in real time with end-to-end encryption, but financial messages still move in batches over a 1970s centralized communication system, in plain text and in "near" real time (hours to days), with all limitations of those times affecting how business gets done in 2019.
Judging by the finance industry standards, public-key authentication has yet to prove itself.