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Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by mooreds » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 1:06 PM UTC

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #68

m_mueller wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What changed I guess is that they switched to embrace Linux full on. And now extending it as well. I trust that Linux is safe from extinguishing though - too much of the world runs on it, and free servers are just too compelling.

What changed is Azure and you can be sure they will do what they can to keep you locked into that ecosystem.

... like all the other cloud providers.

I don't play too much in the MS ecosystem but from what I read they seem to have moved away from the embrace, extend, extinguish methodology. Which is a good thing.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by dcchambers » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:04 PM UTC

Once you get used to developing in a *Nix environment there is just no going back. WSL/WSL2 just isn't there yet. Too much "beta" software for me to rely on it professionally and things just don't work out of the box.

I don't ever see myself going back to Windows.

Other Microsoft products, sure. I prefer Atom but Code is a fantastic editor that has quite literally changed the game in web development. The acquisition of GitHub was incredibly smart. .NET core, etc.

They've made many correct plays over the last 5 years with the dev community - the problem lies in their core product...Windows.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by vax425 » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:33 PM UTC

ublaze wrote: post #43

Tossrock wrote: post #19

I think the pendulum has been swinging from Apple towards Microsoft for developer friendliness for some time now. This is definitely an active strategy on MS's part, and a huge misstep by Apple. Some key parts of the MS strategy: - Embracing Linux. Beyond what's mentioned in the article, there's the Windows Subsystem for Linux, and the new Terminal app. Being able to run Ubuntu (or whichever distribution) natively on…

I have to add Git. They seem to have a dedicated Git performance team. I recently sent a patch to improve git performance, and have mostly been collaborating with friendly Microsoft engineers. Not what I expected at a first glance.

They HAVE to be passionate about git performance, more than anyone else. They run the biggest repo ever: the Windows source.

Give them a perf improvement and they will love you!

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by mixmastamyk » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

nstart wrote: post #49

Just adding this in case anyone is using vs code and is wondering about dev on windows. I'd say that wsl is nice for some tasks but I wouldn't rely on it as a daily driver. It's great for installing some CLI tools to perform certain tasks. Maybe some file grepping or searching that you want to do with your local stuff but find it infuriating to do with powershell or bat scripts. This doesn't mean WSL is bad by any me…

I’ve used sshfs for remote editing for a long time.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by loraa » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

I can't imagine too many millenials have that MS is evil approach as they all were not even nut juice when MS was considered evil.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by aaomidi » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

GeekyBear wrote: post #62

aaomidi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They care about privacy and still have a massive connection with China? Idk but if you're willing to break your privacy for one state, what's stopping you from breaking it for another?

How is this different than every other company doing business in China, including Microsoft? >Keep your data within datacenters located in China with an Azure China account and stay compliant with international and industry-specific compliance standards. Access to your customer data is controlled by an independent company in China, 21Vianet. Not even Microsoft can access your data without approval and oversight by 21…

Did i say Microsoft is better?

I said that selling point for Apple is just invalid.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by joveian » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 5:47 PM UTC

kerng wrote: post #18

joveian wrote: post #3

"Maybe the Microsoft strategy is to intro into the Linux/Java/LAMPish/open-source camp community, burnish their image, and hope they consider their commercial offerings." Try plugging a USB stick with an ext2 partition into Windows 10. At least in 1803, you get TWO dialog boxes asking you to format the partition, with the default being format! In between is another dialog box with just one button. This is the new Mic…

To be fair, this seems not like a mainstream use case... and you can use WSL to read it if you really want to (which seems like an advanced use case anyway). Cross platform FAT32 is the standard and Microsoft made that open.

There isn't anything "fair" about it; it is a blantant misuse of market share to make it harder to use a competing operating system. I do actually have a FAT32 partition as well that I use for transfer (the reason I'm plugging in the USB stick to begin with), I just also have an ext2 partition that Windows should ignore. I haven't used WSL yet, but if they already have code to read ext2 that makes it (slightly) worse, not better (unless you mean the WSL2 actually running a Linux kernel).

Microsoft would prefer to have a monopoly on operating systems, but to the extent that isn't possible/allowed a duopoly with Apple isn't so bad due to Apple's "premium" focus and special hardware. It is clear that the first priority relating to Linux is to prevent new Linux users. While they would love to have a better reputation anyway, I doubt many people will be fooled for long.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by alasdair_ » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

WalterGR wrote: post #72

alasdair_ wrote: post #44

For me, windows 10 is still an issue. I don’t like being spied on. I don’t like disabling cortana and bing and sending everything i type to microsoft and having my choices overwritten every single update. I don’t like having to delete fucking candy cruah for the third time. Respect the very deliberate choices I made and perhaps I’d use it seriously again.

sending everything i type to microsoft What do you mean?

There are several settings that will send many things you type back to Microsoft. They are on by default. “Getting to onow you” is one such setting. There are also typeahead suggestions, suggestions for handwriting, search box suggestions etc. autocomplete is fine if I am on a specific website or app but definitely not fine in an OS, especially when it turns itself back on silently after I disabled it.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by makecheck » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 7:20 PM UTC

kiwijamo wrote: post #38

makecheck wrote: post #25

You can’t judge a company only by its shiny new things; you also have to judge how they’re handling what’s already there. And right now, there are some exceedingly-common things that are far too broken considering how many decades Microsoft has had to fix them. I’m sure we all have our lists but just off the top of my head... - The complete inability of an OS named Windows to remember where any of its windows were a…

Your comment regarding network outages is an issue on macOS as well with certain apps. FileMaker is a good example. Just putting my laptop to sleeps breaks its network connection to the FileMaker server I need to use for $Employer to the point I have to restart FileMaker and login to my $Employer’s system every time my laptop wakes up. I wonder it your issues is more to do with crappy apps rather than windows itself?

Certainly 3rd-party apps may have issues but it’s easy to encounter hiccups with just Windows Explorer (e.g. mapped drive letters popping up one message per drive on disconnect), OneDrive (login prompts), even Outlook and Skype. In the case of Outlook, it seems to enter a state of perpetual “exclamation point” after a disconnect that can only be resolved by forcing it to restart.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by simonblack » Sat, Nov 09, 2019, 9:06 PM UTC

It's in the technical sense where Microsoft is different these days. But I don't believe the Company's Grasping Mindset (TM) has changed in the least.

I still do not trust Microsoft at all.

Patent wars, appropriation of standards, locking out of competitors, underhanded business tricks, etc, etc. None of that has changed. It still continues.