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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by wil421 »

dunstad wrote: post #451
wil421 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to some sources so I can understand how they are concentration camps? I’ve been to Dachau and nothing on the news shows anything like what I saw there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_inte... From the article: > In 2019, many experts, including Andrea Pitzer, the author of One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps, have acknowledged the designation of the detention centers as "concentration camps" [227] [228] particularly given that the centers, previously cited by Texas officials for more than 150 health violations [229] and re…

41,000 deaths in Dachau.[1]

15 deaths in ICE detention centers.[2] If you add 2017 it would be about 25.[3]

I have family who immigrated to the US last year with their children. We have the largest immigrant population and we want people to come here.[4]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

[2]https://www.ice.gov/death-detainee-report#wcm-survey-target-...

[3] https://www.cato.org/blog/annual-death-rate-immigration-dete...

[4] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/which-countries-have-...

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by harryh »

supernova87a wrote: post #348

I question how much an employee should concern him/herself with how a product is used once it's created. You have to let certain control go after a point. Or if your product is open to everyone, you'll have to live with the fact that people may use it in ways you disagree with. Xerox or Canon (or whoever) probably makes copiers that ICE uses to make copies. Lenovo or Apple probably makes hardware that they use also t…

I am not a GH employee nor do I speak for them.

But I think a fair point of view is that it would be GREAT if the employees of Xerox and Canon and Lenovo and Apple and Ford and the airlines and even the farmers all took the same stance as GH employees.

If that actually happened, ICE would cease to be able to function incredibly quickly.

Which would be good. This is basically the point of these protests.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by Rebelgecko »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #458
Rebelgecko wrote: post #323

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Who will put a gun to your head if you stop working in the US?

Starvation, death by exposure, death from preventable disease and the like might not literally be guns, but the effects aren't that dissimilar and they are all consequences of not working in the US. There's not exactly a robust social safety net here.

I think people overstate the dangers of moving to Canada

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by dandanqu82 »

tomschlick wrote: post #438
chillwaves wrote: post #409

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You are defending literal slave labor. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/us/immigrant-detention-forced...

It looks like that lawsuit is alleging that prisoners only making $1-4 a day is slave labor when to my knowledge that's common in almost all prisons in the US. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ That's not to say its a good practice or policy but nothing there looks like its any different for ICE detainees.

The 13th amendment abolished slavery for everyone except prisoners. The fact that migrants are being treated like prison labor is evidence that they are performing slave labor.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by tomschlick »

heyoni wrote: post #459
tomschlick wrote: post #424

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> There are plenty of good rebuttals you’ve conveniently missed. I got 5 replies in a span of 5 minutes. I can't respond that fast with the detail and nuance of my positions. > Also, 300k/year was the maximum in 2000. And now we are up to 500k last year, and another 950k this year. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Yep, we’re having a record year but it’s been much lower for the last 20 years (going by memory).

And both sides have been claiming it has been a problem for all of those years. Every president since Regan has talked about the problems at the border and Congress has done barely anything to both enforce the laws, and make the system smoother for immigrants.

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Post by daveFNbuck »

tomschlick wrote: post #460
daveFNbuck wrote: post #449

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I don't have the time to look up a source at the moment, but Trump changed policy to detain immigrants until their hearing rather than releasing them. He's also keeping them in custody longer in order to force them through court proceedings rather than just deporting them. The system was already desperately in need of resources before Trump added this strain. We could go back to an Obama-era level of need, but instea…

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It was highly controversial, but it's a choice. Obama chose to have some people not show up for their court date. Trump chose to keep people in inhumane conditions and separate children from their families.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by viridian »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #434
slykat wrote: post #425

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Ok so would you ok with a restaurant not serving republicans because the party currently supports ICE's actions?

A bit of Slippery Slope combined with Strawman fallacy here.

It's some great irony that two minutes before you posted this, a man of straw himself appeared and agreed with the statement.

I don't think you can call something a strawman if the idea seems to actually have wide support.

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Post by sjg007 »

ljm wrote: post #453
_7bxa wrote: post #395

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The difference is not serving black or queer people isn't a moral judgement -- it's just discrimination (there isn't anything inherently wrong with being Black the same way there isn't anything wrong with being queer or Asian or Indian, those things aren't a choice unlike being a Nazi). At best, not serving minorities is a shitty moral judgement. Not serving ICE is a more legitimate moral judgement because ICE has th…

There is nothing inherently wrong with serving ICE. You might not like it, but many of your compatriots do. I don't like what they do at all, I think it's reprehensible, backwards, and purely uncivilised. But people you utterly hate have friends too, and they see something different than you do, and we do not have a singular moral world-view. This situation with ICE should totally change, but that change is a functio…

queue IBM and the holocaust.. I mean... wtf ???
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