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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Ar-Curunir wrote: post #391
tomschlick wrote: post #355

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> Why don't the employees at all these other companies object like Github employees? Why do Github employees get a special right to withhold consent for their product to be used in a setting they might object to? Why is ICE the only company that they object to? Why do some causes get their favor and not others? Wokeness and the recent trend of trying to cancel anything that doesn't align within a narrow spectrum of p…

This is a garbage opinion. Opposing concentration camps is not a "narrow progressive viewpoint"

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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by tomschlick »

Ar-Curunir wrote: post #391
tomschlick wrote: post #355

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> Why don't the employees at all these other companies object like Github employees? Why do Github employees get a special right to withhold consent for their product to be used in a setting they might object to? Why is ICE the only company that they object to? Why do some causes get their favor and not others? Wokeness and the recent trend of trying to cancel anything that doesn't align within a narrow spectrum of p…

This is a garbage opinion. Opposing concentration camps is not a "narrow progressive viewpoint"

There are 2 choices under the law for asylum claims. Either let them go within the country until their court date (hoping they show up) or detain them.

The former did not work and was infamous as the "catch and release" policy. Detainment could work in principal but the overflow of the system has caused long wait times, overcrowded facilities and not enough staff to handle the cases. If you suddenly switched back to catch and release we would most likely have a greater influx of people coming in who have no valid claim to asylum and would not show up to their court date. It's a shitty problem all around.

And pretending that an overcrowded detention system is a concentration camp is disingenuous at best. If that was the case then California's prison system has been a network of concentration camps for years as they have dealt with constant overcrowding and problems.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by zer00eyz »

tomschlick wrote: post #390
KyeRussell wrote: post #374

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"ICE is currently doing some bad things" is a viewpoint shared by a pretty large group of people. Honestly it just sounds like you're projecting.

ICE is getting raked over the coals in the court of public opinion because they don't have the funding nor the manpower to deal with 100k people coming over the border each month. Many asylum seekers are just exploiting the asylum system with invalid cases as economic migrants to delay the process so they don't get sent back home. All the while congress hasn't done much at all to fix the obvious problems in the law (…

Prior world war II the illegal immigration from Mexico was a genuine issue for America. DO you want to know how they stopped illegal immigration cold? They simply fined any business or employer who employed them severely. The problem quickly resolved itself without having to lock people up.

It is entirely possible to curtail the number of people coming here once there is NO work or services for them. It works, and we know it works, because we have done it before.

No one wants to "solve it" because our entire food supply and production (meat packing to local restaurants) is powered by illegal immigrants. Lawn care, construction, plenty of industries run on cheap (illegal) immigrant labor.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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dragontamer wrote: post #264
refurb wrote: post #223

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Gitmo’s a great example. Under Bush it was immoral. Under Obama? Barely heard a thing. Sure standardUser might have thought it immoral all along, but did he attack both parties (when in power) with the same zeal?

> Gitmo’s a great example. Under Bush it was immoral. Under Obama? Barely heard a thing. Your history is off. Obama tried to shut it down until it was overturned by Congress. As soon as the political reality of transferring the prisoners became apparent, all Congressmen blocked the closure of Gitmo. No one wanted to take the prisoners into their own state. No one wanted to be the Senator or Representative to say "I a…

Of course! Obama tried as hard as he could to close it, but darn that other party wouldn’t let him. Obviously he’s off the hook.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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slykat wrote: post #381

I find it ironic that the same people protesting the contract would also protest a bakery that refuses to sell a product for say a same sex couple (or if you were in the 60s, restaurants that refused to serve blacks). You either have a viewpoint that: 1) a business shouldn't make a moral judgement on its customers and be accessible to all 2) A business can make moral judgements on its customers and choose not to do b…

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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by wil421 »

dunstad wrote: post #420
slykat wrote: post #387

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But how is Github's product enabling human rights violations? I can understand if Github employees were protesting a product that created human rights violations (for example if Github offered a security service for ICE detention centers that was abusing prisoners). Would you be ok if Github was a restaurant and it had a policy of not serving anyone who is an ICE employee?

Yeah, I would love that actually. ICE runs concentration camps. Not enough people treat them how they deserve.

Can you point to some sources so I can understand how they are concentration camps? I’ve been to Dachau and nothing on the news shows anything like what I saw there.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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standardUser wrote: post #218
refurb wrote: post #172

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Oh BS. It’s clearly apparent over the last few election cycles that if your side does something, “it’s unfortunate, but we’re trying to fix it” and if the other side does something “they are horrible people who are monsters”. It comes down to nothing more than scoring political points.

I think it's a mistake to look at "the last few election cycles". The people making all of this noise were children during that time. Just about everything has changed in the last 5 or so years, and a lot of that change appears to be driven by the historically massive and historically diverse Millennial generation.

We love to think we live in unique times, but we don’t.

Politics hasn’t really changed in the US in the last 100 years.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by watt3rpig »

zer00eyz wrote: post #427
opnitro wrote: post #376

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I tend to think labor should have more power over what it creates. I'm not sure how an example of being required to work on something they objected to due to economic factors outside of their control is an example that helps your case.

> I'm not sure how an example of being required to work on something they objected to due to economic factors outside of their control is an example that helps your case. Quitting on moral grounds is a luxury in the scope of human history, and is a luxury for MOST Americans today. Im not sure it is a realistic stance for most people (but probably for most of HN). I don't think GitHub is going to (or should) change it…

Guns and fertilizer are very different products. Guns were specifically developed with the purpose of killing. Their main use besides recreation is killing people.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by daveFNbuck »

tomschlick wrote: post #426
daveFNbuck wrote: post #399

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They have the manpower, they're just doing everything as inefficiently and inhumanely as possible in order to arrive at this outcome. This is a choice that the administration is making, and ICE is implementing it.

> They have the manpower, they're just doing everything as inefficiently and inhumanely as possible in order to arrive at this outcome. Source? Last I checked the system was still drastically in need of border patrol, immigration judges, case workers, beds to house people, etc. Those things can't just spin up in a week and be effective.

I don't have the time to look up a source at the moment, but Trump changed policy to detain immigrants until their hearing rather than releasing them. He's also keeping them in custody longer in order to force them through court proceedings rather than just deporting them.

The system was already desperately in need of resources before Trump added this strain. We could go back to an Obama-era level of need, but instead we've chosen to ramp up the problem and force this outcome.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by tomschlick »

zer00eyz wrote: post #436
shaftoe wrote: post #415

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These aren't people fleeing genocide. These are people leaving Mexico. And they're being put in hotels and buses. It's easy to pretend you're fellow Americans are monsters, but they're not.

Hotels? If you call jail (on a good day) a hotel then I have a bridge to sell you. And yes we put them on busses to get them back because it is cheeper than flying them. > These aren't people fleeing genocide. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/... You as an American should not go there, but them fleeing here is problematic?

Crime != genocide. And asylum cases require specific threats to your life not just "it's not nice there and I want to come to the US".

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-st...

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