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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by CorruptedArc »

pm90 wrote: post #42
creaghpatr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE is not a partisan organization, it's a government agency. If you pay taxes, you support ICE, and are their customer, period.

> ICE is not a partisan organization, Only if you have your head deliberately under the sand in the face of all the reporting that has been done so far about wanton cruelty inflicted on human beings by this agency, including but not limited to: * separation of toddlers from their parents * horrific conditions in detention facilities * detaining immigrants for as long as they possibly can * arresting and trying to dep…

It truly isn't a partisan organization. The Dems buried their heads when this happened under President "Deporter & Chief" Obama. People are pretending this issue is new because they didn't take the time to learn about it years ago. Some media reported on it under Obama, but few took the time until they were looking for ammunition against Trump.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by anigbrowl »

mehrdadn wrote: post #222
undersuit wrote: post #215

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Names are important. I'll give you that.

I didn't realize solving the problem was as easy as renaming ICE back to INS.

Well consider the cultural difference between an agency whose mission is enforcement and one whose mission is service.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by baggy_trough »

shadowgovt wrote: post #322
baggy_trough wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the immigrant detention centers measure up to the definition at, for example, the Encylopedia Britannica: https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp

I remember in 2016 when people were predicting people would be debating the definition of concentration camp during this administration. Here we are.

If you want to avoid that debate, then maybe cool it with the exaggerated claims?

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by heavenlyblue »

CydeWeys wrote: post #162
bryanmgreen wrote: post #79

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This points to the heart of my internal debate on philosophical positioning: When is it the most moral option to not resign from companies that openly conflict with your moral compass but to fight from the inside and struggle day-by-day? I haven't come to any definitive conclusion, but my basic thought is: (A) If you and your allies have a decent opportunity to build a worthy competitor or work for one ( ie: a simila…

Maybe the most moral thing to do would be, should you find yourself employed at an immoral company -- Fight to do everything in your power to change the company's course, while drawing your salary (and thus their resources), and not contributing towards the immoral actions at all? Basically you'd be forcing them to fire you at some point, but until then, you're fighting against it for as long as possible and thus hop…

This might considerably lower the chance of you being employed ever again.

That is, employed in larger companies.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by ossworkerrights »

Uncontrolled immigration does damage to legals from the same countries. I know as i am one of them. Once the uk freely opened the boarders to immigrants from my native country not only did the reputation of “my people” plummet but so did i get annoyed at what some new arrivals spoke about the locals in our native language while in the tram, street or shops.

The us needs a points based immigration system, as does the uk, as the rest if the sane world.

I am from Romania and before open borders Romania meant vampires and Dracula, and afterwards it meant gypsies and crime.

And boy do some of the unchecked immigrants deserve to stay in Romania.

N.b. Gypsies are fine imo but not the beggars Or pickpockets.

Edit: go ahead and downvote instead of taking on board some feedback from actual legal immigrants and how they are affected by illegal immigration. Blame github for helping ICE instead.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by 75dvtwin »

what would HN commentators would recommend to conservatives in tech sector, who want to show their support for Brexit, for MAGA, for US ICE ?

What can be done to combat the left activism, but in a civil way, yet be effective, and without endangering careers in tech & entertainment?

.. asking for a friend...

Or is the ballot box, anonymous posts and their own kitchen table, are the only places to express?

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by mehrdadn »

anigbrowl wrote: post #342
mehrdadn wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize solving the problem was as easy as renaming ICE back to INS.

Well consider the cultural difference between an agency whose mission is enforcement and one whose mission is service .

You'd be more convincing if you demonstrated how the current purported "culture" problems were there the entire time pre-2016. And absent in INS before that.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by supernova87a »

I question how much an employee should concern him/herself with how a product is used once it's created. You have to let certain control go after a point. Or if your product is open to everyone, you'll have to live with the fact that people may use it in ways you disagree with.

Xerox or Canon (or whoever) probably makes copiers that ICE uses to make copies. Lenovo or Apple probably makes hardware that they use also to further their functions. Ford/GM probably supply ICE with vehicles. Farmers grow crops that get into their the meals that ICE personnel eat. Pilots and flight attendants probably have knowingly transported ICE employees.

Why don't the employees at all these other companies object like Github employees? Why do Github employees get a special right to withhold consent for their product to be used in a setting they might object to? Why is ICE the only company that they object to? Why do some causes get their favor and not others?

Where do we start? Where do we stop?

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Post by ken »

paulddraper wrote: post #238
ken wrote: post #235

> The results of GitHub’s quarterly anonymous employee survey — which showed a decline in trust of leadership ... In 100% of cases where I've known a small company that got bought by a much bigger company, this has occurred. It's amazing anyone still believes that their small company can get bought and somehow they'll be able to preserve (what they think is) their "company culture".

> It's amazing anyone still believes Has anyone ever believed that?

Fair point. I’m not sure if they did, or simply believed the benefits (financial and otherwise) of being bought outweighed the loss of company culture. They at least seemed to, in my experience.

JWZ — or maybe Spolsky — wrote about (a more general case of) this. You can either grow fast, or maintain company culture. You can’t do both.

Being bought by a larger company is just one case of growing really fast all at once.

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Post by [deleted] »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #320
nostrademons wrote: post #276

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It's heavily team-dependent. I was on a team at Google where I was the only American citizen, with teammates from Iceland, England, Vietnam, India (4), Taiwan (2), and China (2). I was also on a team where there were basically zero non-citizens, and most of my teammates were from places like Ohio, Indiana, Tennessee, Alabama, Colorado, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc.

Is that sort of distribution typical? Do teams tend to self-segregate?

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