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Post by yourbandsucks »

president wrote: post #110
yourbandsucks wrote: post #74

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But you and they are calling maoism and dengism "basically the same thing". That's about half a degree from calling communism and capitalism the same thing. With Chinese characteristics for both, of course. Anybody who knew China would know exactly why I picked 40 years. It's 2 very different governments. So I get that you'd consider them "the enemy" in both cases but could this be a teachable moment? How has America…

We get it, you hate the US and love China.

Lots of great people in both places.

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Post by refurb »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #96
oitudgiyters wrote: post #47

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What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

> So how did it come to this? Why does it feel like the CIA dropped the ball on China? 1) I don't think the CIA has ever has been that powerful and 2) the US political establishment got arrogant and lazy after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Agreed. Remember any story coming from the CIA is going to put them in the best light.

If there is a civil war and the CIA backs one side with weapons, and that side wins, it doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t have won without CIA support.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

account73466 wrote: post #101
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #73

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> i) the US wants to forbid other countries to have a chance to win in pure capitalistic games. Thus, it will block strong investors from certain countries but let itself to invest in the same countries. Don’t you mean China instead of the US? They invest in America what they won’t let America invest in China, especially in tech. China is hardly an open market itself.

China is the world's second largest country by foreign investment mainly performed via Hong Kong.

China is the largest country after all, but foreign investment is still heavily restricted, and investment tech companies even more so. The days of most investments into China going through HK are long gone.

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Post by mbesto »

mike00632 wrote: post #107
50656E6973 wrote: post #66

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>Do you actually have something concrete in mind here Ideals codified in law. For example, the 1rst and 2nd Amendments. When generalizing with national boundaries, I of course do not mean to imply that literally everyone born within those imaginary lines thinks the same. Are there more specific categories I could use for these ideological classifications?

Actually, China has many of the same ideals codified into law that the West has. https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article2 >Article 35. Freedom of speech, press, assembly Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration. The reasons why people in both societies enjoy those rights differently is much more complica…

In the US I can speak openly about Kent State and the government will not step in to silence me. Tiananmen Square on the other hand...

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Post by wil421 »

mbesto wrote: post #114
mike00632 wrote: post #107

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Actually, China has many of the same ideals codified into law that the West has. https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article2 >Article 35. Freedom of speech, press, assembly Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration. The reasons why people in both societies enjoy those rights differently is much more complica…

In the US I can speak openly about Kent State and the government will not step in to silence me. Tiananmen Square on the other hand...

GP can do something very simple as a test. I’ll go to Washington and he’ll go to Beijing. We will both hold up a sign criticizing each leader. I wonder what will happen...

I’ll go to London, Berlin, and Paris and do the same thing. Maybe I’ll need a permit in the US/Europe and do it for a week.

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Post by rolltiide »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #90
rolltiide wrote: post #57

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> And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognized and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are. I'd like to agree, but this only happens if you are able to dissolve the administration you disagree with.

Or freedom of speech is upheld, which is not a view held by totalitarian regimes.

They have freedom of speech codified in law and very many exceptions.

Opining on issues of sovereignty being one big exception. Its an unexpected one to Western audiences, coupled with a non-existent appeals process and no distinction between private and public sector in state-planned system.

So you’ll be deplatformed by private sector - just like if you have non establishment views in countries you respect - and also sanctioned by public sector.

The point is that to them it wouldn’t be viewed as freedom of speech not being upheld. Just like if things you did were ruled “obscene” or “hateful” or imminently harmful in the US: there is an appeals process in US but the courts might not support you. Just add “secession” to the list and maybe itll all make sense?

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Post by mistermann »

account73466 wrote: post #105
dtwest wrote: post #75

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There are no "pure" capitalistic games being played. The US and China interfere to varying degrees. Talking about slavery in this context is also ridiculous.

I am talking about economic slavery when you get 10 cents for a $1 product that you produce. The rest is taken by intermediates and tariffs of various kinds.

China will cut out the middle man soon enough.

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Post by knzhou »

wil421 wrote: post #115
mbesto wrote: post #114

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In the US I can speak openly about Kent State and the government will not step in to silence me. Tiananmen Square on the other hand...

GP can do something very simple as a test. I’ll go to Washington and he’ll go to Beijing. We will both hold up a sign criticizing each leader. I wonder what will happen... I’ll go to London, Berlin, and Paris and do the same thing. Maybe I’ll need a permit in the US/Europe and do it for a week.

When I actually visit, I will look into this.

It's easy to tell all kinds of crazy stories about would happen in China, but do you have direct evidence? I don't, but I know for a fact that expat communities usually bitterly hate the government, and blast those opinions publicly all over the internet.

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Post by knzhou »

donw wrote: post #76
knzhou wrote: post #64

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I have always wondered what people mean by "Chinese ideals". As a Chinese person myself, all 4 of your options are things that I oppose. I find myself consistently on the side of individuality, privacy, free speech, and self defense, when arguing against Americans that disagree. In fact I'm doing that right now in another thread in the process of defending yet another undefendable scoundrel, Facebook. Do you actually…

Not intending to speak for others, but I believe that the original poster intended "ideals as practiced by the CCP" (e.g., Cultural Revolution, Red Guards, etc), and it sounds to me like you are espousing the Chinese culture of the 1911 revolution, which does indeed support the rights of individuality, privacy, free speech, and self defense.

If such deeply-held values can flip within 40 years, then what does it mean to say one set is "Eastern" and one is "Western"?

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Post by dang »

xurias wrote: post #4

This is like...two decades too late. China has their fingers in everything now.

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