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Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#91

Post by DeonPenny »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #34
Canada wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs. Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

I feel like comments like this are why china is the way it is.

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#92

Post by pathseeker »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #79
surge wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google 9 dash line Google belt and road initiative People are upset that China isn't honoring their agreement and are dismantling the democratic system and free speech HK is enjoying now, these are universal human rights. Rather than China learning from what made HK so prosperous, as they were for a while, the new leadership is heading back towards the old Maoism policies that lead to the massive starvation and famin…

Believe it or not, the average Chinese has a better grasp of their recent history than the average HN reader. How come nobody cared about 'universal human rights' for HK residents until it was a way to kneecap China? Again, check the record: 95 years of colonialism with less rights than they have now. They got their limited democracy in the last few years of British rule. Thatcher and Reagan never gave a shit. Watch…

> Believe it or not, the average Chinese has a better grasp of their recent history than the average HN reader.

If that were true, there would be no reason for them to censor topics like tiananmen square

>They got their limited democracy in the last few years of British rule

And how long will China let them keep it?

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#93

Post by novalis78 »

knzhou wrote: post #64
50656E6973 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as: -Group identity over individuality -Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy -Cenorship over free speech -State control/power over self defense

I have always wondered what people mean by "Chinese ideals". As a Chinese person myself, all 4 of your options are things that I oppose. I find myself consistently on the side of individuality, privacy, free speech, and self defense, when arguing against Americans that disagree. In fact I'm doing that right now in another thread in the process of defending yet another undefendable scoundrel, Facebook. Do you actually…

This is and has been more of an intellectual and ideological battle more than anything. The Founders had very little in common with ancient Greeks and Romans in terms of ‘tribe’ and ‘national boundary’. I am an immigrant as well and have these very same discussions that you have - awkwardly explaining to Americans the benefit of their constitution to themselves.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#94

Post by CharlesColeman »

50656E6973 wrote: post #56
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as: -Group identity over individuality -Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy -Cenorship over free speech -State control/power over self defense

> Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as:

I think you're onto something, but some of your examples are off.

I'd say Big Tech has a disproportionate share of people who:

1) believe they are part of the elite (by being able to command a high salary due to their skills) or aspire to join the elite (by winning the startup lottery), and therefore tend to take the perspective of elites against that of commoners, and

2) tend to focus far too much on economics, business, and technology.

Those attitudes can interplay to result in attitudes that can be pretty favorable to the CCP (e.g. trade/business profits can't be sacrificed for moral or democratic considerations). However, I wouldn't go so far as saying those tech people "favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals."

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#95

Post by yourbandsucks »

pathseeker wrote: post #92
yourbandsucks wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not, the average Chinese has a better grasp of their recent history than the average HN reader. How come nobody cared about 'universal human rights' for HK residents until it was a way to kneecap China? Again, check the record: 95 years of colonialism with less rights than they have now. They got their limited democracy in the last few years of British rule. Thatcher and Reagan never gave a shit. Watch…

> Believe it or not, the average Chinese has a better grasp of their recent history than the average HN reader. If that were true, there would be no reason for them to censor topics like tiananmen square >They got their limited democracy in the last few years of British rule And how long will China let them keep it?

4x longer than the British did, in any case. The CCP hasn't even proposed rolling back HK's limited democracy (so far, 22 years). And they've, so far, killed far fewer protestors than the British did.

As far as the first part.. you know this is living memory, right?

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#96

Post by CharlesColeman »

oitudgiyters wrote: post #47
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

> So how did it come to this? Why does it feel like the CIA dropped the ball on China?

1) I don't think the CIA has ever has been that powerful and 2) the US political establishment got arrogant and lazy after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#97

Post by DeonPenny »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #34
Canada wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs. Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

They put those people in poverty in the first place during the cultural revolution.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#98

Post by afpx »

comicjk wrote: post #81
afpx wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I’m downvoted because it sounds far-fetched. Well, given that I work for one of these companies, I can say it’s true.

Repeating it doesn't make it sound more plausible. If you have evidence, please take it to a journalist - this would be an explosive and worthwhile story! In a comments section, though, it's indistinguishable from mere slander against immigrants.

Thanks for the feedback. I feel bad that I offended people. I'm sorry; it wasn't my intention to imply all immigrants are problematic. It's only the state-sponsored immigrants, and they're only a tiny, tiny fraction.

I don't think most people care, honestly. Plus, as the parent poster said, this has been going on for 10 years. Not much can be done about it now.

But, if a journalist does happen to reads this and is interested, post your contact info. I'll reach out.

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#99

Post by [deleted] »

50656E6973 wrote: post #56
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as: -Group identity over individuality -Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy -Cenorship over free speech -State control/power over self defense

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#100

Post by remarkEon »

I'd like to see this scrutiny extended to real estate investment as well - commercial and residential. If CCP has strategies for investing in Tech to make them behave in a way more favorable to their interests, it makes sense that they would have a real estate strategy to capitalize on that as well.
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