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Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by Canada »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection.

You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track record. Will China even allow its failures and excesses to be documented on Wikipedia? Or will it just censor it all, and disappear anyone who complains?

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#32

Post by president »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

Nobody is arguing whether nations should or should not be trying to impose their values on other nations. The issue is, do you really want to stand on the sidelines while a rising nation with no qualms about murdering its own people is touting values counter to freedom and fairness?

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by afpx »

afpx wrote: post #18
xurias wrote: post #4

This is like...two decades too late. China has their fingers in everything now.

Like these personal data collection “ad tech” companies that are staffed by foreign nationals who send the data back to their homelands. Most Americans (not in tech) don’t get that there’s a dossier on everyone.

I guess I’m downvoted because it sounds far-fetched. Well, given that I work for one of these companies, I can say it’s true.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#34

Post by yourbandsucks »

Canada wrote: post #31
KorematsuFred wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs.

Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#35

Post by deogeo »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

It's bad for the US - that they have sinned does not mean they should be any less worried about someone else having power over them.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#36

Post by [deleted] »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #34
Canada wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs. Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

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Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by president »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #28
president wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, people are mad because here we have a totalitarian, protectionist, mercantilist nation that has no rule of law governing their people or their economy and subsidizing and weaponizing their companies to slowly strangle western economies by stealing their IP and defrauding foreign investors. You can get pretty far when you lie, cheat, and steal, especially when there isn't anyone there to punish you. I wouldn't cal…

That's a lot of heat and I'm not getting anything besides my previous post's last sentence out of it. If protectionism and mercantilism are bad, how come everyone's in favor of these restrictions on this thread? Such little faith?

It's all there in the article. You just have to read it.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#38

Post by Benjammer »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #34
Canada wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs. Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

>China can run their country and we can run ours

Considering their traditional political philosophy doesn't even really acknowledge the concept of nation-states and international borders, no. Because "run their country" means "rule the world however we fucking want."

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#39

Post by Canada »

rolltiide wrote: post #30
KorematsuFred wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

I wouldn't say I welcome the rise of Chinese hegemony, but I do welcome the rise of a more collaborative world, and that requires middle ground where there hasn't been with US hegemony due to lack of competition: I know that I can't expect to do business in the US or Europe if I opine on Jewish sovereignty issues I know that I can't expect to do business in China if I opine on Chinese sovereignty issues The result is…

Yeah, there are consequences for challanging establishment views on certain topics, but nobody is throwing critics such as Noam Chompsky in jail, taking passports away from his family and restricting their movements, or doing the same to those who openly share his views.

And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognised and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by [deleted] »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #22
president wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, someone else's boat has been ramming ours while some of our ship crew conveniently looked the other way. People have been shouting "foul" on China for a while now but it was the greed of many members of American congress and financial elite who were profiting from business deals with China that caused them to look the other way. Thankfully, we've gotten to a point where people aren't willing to put up w…

What foul, specifically? Currency manipulation stopped over a decade ago. Is it a 'foul' for them to run their domestic economy/politics the way they want? Or to buy freely traded American assets, as everyone's freaking out about here? None of that is them 'ramming' our ship. People are just mad because they thought we'd reached the end of history and the Chinese would know their role and play second-fiddle to Superi…

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