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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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chr1 wrote: post #192
spoiledtechie wrote: post #85

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Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

This is a very inaccurate and misleading characterization, there was no one single war, and the warring sides have changed alliances and some were wiped out completely. Until about 1920s kurds were mostly on the same side as turkish government, and were helping turks to quell rare rebellions of non-muslim population (mostly armenians, greeks, assyrians) who were treated as second class citizens. Only in 1920s after m…

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by mcsofake »

mcsofake wrote: post #182
TheArcane wrote: post #83

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> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Archbishop Hindo: violence and intimidation of the Kurd militias on Christians increase in Hassaké: http://www.fides.org/en/news/60791-ASIA_SYRIA_Archbishop_Hin... Kurdish YPG/Asayish Forces Once Again Kidnap Christians in Northeast Syria: https://wca-ngo.org/wca-news/press-releases/607-kurds_forced... Kurdish YPG Unlawfully Closes Aramean and Armenian Schools: https://wca-ngo.org/wca-news/press-releases/613-ypg_ille…

Additionally, a report from Amnesty International:

Syria: US ally’s razing of villages amounts to war crimes: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/syria-us-ally...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by jacobush »

m00dy wrote: post #234
jacobush wrote: post #205

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And this magically will?

yes, according to famous book 'Art of War by sun tzu', you have to defeat the enemy at his place. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

The enemy is in the heart of Erdogan. It’s corrupt and vile.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by dmix »

lostlogin wrote: post #238
dmix wrote: post #223

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I follow this stuff pretty closely. Any organization that suicide bombs civilian areas is a terrorist IMO. The EU, NATO, Japan, etc didn't start using that designation for nothing. PKK also had an estimated 3000 child soldiers which were also used for terror operations and in combat in Syria: https://hrwf.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Child-soldiers-in...

Both sides are using terrorism on civilians but the label doesn’t stick when the explosives come from a plane or gun barrel. Both sides are US allies and this can be solved with pressure from other states too.

The "both sides" diversionary tactic doesn't help anyone in these debates. It's the favourite excuse of every dictator and bad guy.

The radical Kurds aren't going to win anything by engaging in it nor will the more moderate Kurdish groups gain anything by quietly supporting them.

Turkey has much to lose in the years to come by exposing their soldiers in Kurdish majority areas and they are only further alienating themselves from Europe and the world, especially if they get too zealous in the process. They haven't even faced any real resistance yet since they focused on Arab areas first. Their decision making won't be without cost.

There's no way this will be easy ride for them. Nothing in the middle east is ever like that. This is just downtime between the next major conflict. There's only so much to gain for anyone involved.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by jacobush »

jacobush wrote: post #209
mda wrote: post #157

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Is it a blanket bombing campaign though? Do you really believe Turkey is indiscriminately bombing civilians?

Hell yes

https://www.svd.se/sara-sprangdes-sonder-av-en-turkisk-grana...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by JetSpiegel »

thelittleone wrote: post #198
99052882514569 wrote: post #165

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I disagree. Keeping your opponent in the 'fog of war' is a legitimate, reasonable military aim. In the olden days, radio/TV transmissions and newspaper publication was severely restricted during military operations. Today, those are largely irrelevant as news is spread on social media, so this block is the modern-era equivalent. Note how my argument does not depend on whether we're talking about a good war, bad war,…

That seems like a convenient justification and minor strategic benefit rather than the real issue. This is about PR / image management and controlling the narrative. An outraged domestic and international community can limit your options (look at Hong Kong).

Erdogan got a green light from Trump, who publicly accused the Kurds of not helping with Normandy landings and taking the USA's money (he never mentioned ISIS). The American government supports you, who needs PR?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by JetSpiegel »

themagician wrote: post #170
dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

See, I don't mind it. Twitter and Facebook are HORRIBLE tools to rely on. They spread more wrong information than right information. If free speech is going to survive it will require open systems and responsible journalism. Twitter and Facebook are tools that promote neither. Bad information, I suppose, is better than no information… but damn have we regressed in a lot of ways.

This ban is not to keep the Kurds from receiving information, they know they are getting bombed when their houses blow up. It's to keep information out.

To exfiltrate information, all the Social Media anti features are a plus.

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Post by the_why_of_y »

lacriment wrote: post #151
kyledrake wrote: post #131

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Genocide with a cross border operation but millions of kurds living in Turkey's own territory. Okay.

For certain values of "living".

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/turkey-onslau...

Many of the estimated 500,000 people displaced from their homes in areas under the curfews across the southeast of Turkey in 2015 and 2016 lacked access to adequate housing and livelihoods. Many were unable to return to their homes that had been destroyed during or after military operations during which state security forces clashed with armed individuals affiliated to the PKK.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by enriquto »

dmix wrote: post #150
m00dy wrote: post #65

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First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

The only good argument IMO is that the Kurd's YPG won't distance themselves from the (actual) PKK terrorists. If they made steps to do so then Turkey wouldn't have nearly as good of a justification and I wonder if this would be different. Although I'm doubtful Turkey would still make that distinction. The border security argument is a bit weak. You shouldn't need to cross a border to defend a border.

> The only good argument IMO is that the Kurd's YPG won't distance themselves from the (actual) PKK terrorists.

It is not logical to call some people terrorists when they are being massacred by a large professional army and try to defend themselves by whatever means they have. If the kurdish nation exists in 50 years, today's "terrorists" will be remembered fondly, just as the glorious french resistance is.

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