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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing.

What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing.

I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other would for no benefit at all. Why don't you and the west just come out and say you want Turkey broken up? It would save us a lot of time instead of being constantly gas lit.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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post #61
post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

> Why don't you and the west just come out and say you want Turkey broken up?

Because a measure of self determination for the Kurds is not synonymous with I want turkey broken up’?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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post #61
post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

> Why don't you and the west just come out and say you want Turkey broken up?

Self-determination is fundamentally supported in the west, like Canada for Quebec.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#64
post #55

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

> Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees.

Are you aware that this is wholly down to a deal between the EU and Turkey which includes, amongst others, payments of about 6bn EUR to Turkey?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#65
post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters.

Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies. US and Turkey are member of NATO and we have operations together since then. (Including Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq). Situation for Syria is a little bit different here. Because, it is too close to Turkey. If you cut connections to Turkey, it will cost you more.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#66
post #34

Is the blocking on DNS, port, pattern matching URLs? If DNS perhaps using an encrypted DNS could work.

In Turkey blocking is done by ISPs. Each uses different methods. They block with deep packet inspection, URL matching on HTTP websites, and IP blocking with HTTPS websites.

They even intercept and change DNS results from Google and Cloudflare.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#67

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

Catalan here (and not exactly rich). I think OP's comment was completely out of place, but trying to disregard the independence movement as rich guys entitlement is a an extremely distorted representation of the political reality of Catalonia.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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post #61
post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

#69
post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

Blocking sites like this is never reasonable.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

> There's an official denial of a "green light"

Have you considered the possibility that a green light was, in fact, not given, and that Putin has simply outmanoeuvred America in this case? I think the evidence points towards Russian intel backing Turkey's latest operation.

America completely failed to implement her interests in the region partly due the absolute mess of her internal politics, e.g. a still completely dysfunctional and understaffed State Department: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/state-d...

Three pieces of evidence that Turkey is drifting towards the Russian sphere of influence:

1. The nonchalance with which Turkey exited the F-35 program preferring the purchase of Russian made S-400 air defence systems.

2. The recent agreement between Turkey and Russia to use the Russian MIR payment system and to settle sovereign debts in Liras/Rubles instead of US dollars.

3. This latest incursion into Syria, which serves no American interest, but clearly serves Putin by taking an American ally out of the equation (the Kurds).

edit: perhaps Trump greenlit it, but America didn't.

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