Through the whole history we don't know and will never know what's really happened/happening. Have you got an idea of how badly native population of America have been dealt with back then? DO you know what's happening in Kashmiri, Yemen, Africa, etc?
Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey
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#12everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...)
Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.
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#13So... Twitter and Facebook. Would there even be a way to block Facebook but not Instagram and Whatsapp?
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#14> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…
We do? I don't know. I find we rarely know what's going to happen. In 2016 everyone had for weeks talked about how Aleppo was going to go up in flames. And in the end, it turned out to be an actual operation to rid the place of rebels and then they established order when the city fell. Maybe in these towns the same will happen. But it's hard to say "we all know what's going to happen."
This Aleppo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH6xRh6K7-4
(And yes the video is from RT but if you can find a more reputable source debunking it I'd like to see it.)
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#16> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…
Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.
You need to have the ground receiver and those seem relatively easy to restrict.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.
Starlink is more vulnerable to governments than VPNs and is going to be much much more expensive.
Big social media companies could offer an API that offers a list of IPs that serve the app and any data it needs from an unblocked source. Then if you're under oppression by a malevolent leadership that blocks a social media, it could be so that you only need to hook your Twitter or Facebook app to internet via Starlink for the millisecond it takes to fetch the unblocked IPs, and the app would be configured to automatically use those in blocked countries. Those new IPs got blocked? Just hit the API again with Starlink and get back to using normal internet. It could be default behavior for the apps in countries where they are blocked to do that if a Starlink connection is up.
If a couple of bytes of information every now and then is too expensive to fetch with Starlink in poorer countries, it is too expensive to use for normal internet use for normal people anywhere on the planet.
Since you are using normal internet except for fetching the IPs, you are not subject to government snooping or sabotage any more than you would be normally. It also would require normal people at maximum the same level of tech-savvyness as a VPN to just connect to Starlink for a second.
Another key difference would be that a VPN requires you to reach the VPN server somehow, and the country can arbitrarily block cable traffic if they have the resources and will. Whether it's technically feasible for most VPNs is another question. But anyway, for Starlink... You would really need to wreck their satellite off the orbit or mess with their radiosignals to block it.
Not that social media companies would do anything to piss off authoritarian leaders / oppressing governments. But they could if they thought it's right
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#18Time to do Mastodon and hope around servers of the fediverse!
Relevant Tweet:
>Mastodon is proving to be a system so censorship resistant even its creators can't censor it. https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1147772867783929856
It seems like federation is actually more censorship resistant in some ways than fully distributed p2p systems. Because an ISP could block ports and things required for p2p connections, right?
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#19everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.
> there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...)
Nation building is hard. Instilling modern democratic values is hard.
Those fights are worth fighting. But Hong Kong is low-hanging fruit. (There is also loss aversion, Hong Kong slipping backwards feels worse than Ecuador remaining Ecuador.)
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#20everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.
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