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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by ipsin »

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago.

Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey.

There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent.

It might as well be U.S. troops slaughtering them now, but the U.S. press seems to be treating it as something that the U.S. was not deeply involved in, or something deeply shameful for the U.S.

[1] https://twitter.com/sojtfoir/status/1175869891305451522

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/middleeast/turkey-a... ("Because of an American counterterrorism partnership with Turkey, Turkish aircraft were given access to a suite of American battlefield intelligence in northeast Syria.")

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by notebookstack »

oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25
enriquto wrote: post #12

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

I think the comparison in situation/contrast in international attention being made is more between Catalonia and Hong Kong. There's certainly a ton of other important issues causing the unrest, but there is a certain element of xenophobia/ superiority complex in play in Hong Kong as well, that has been simmering for many years.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3032041/hong-ko...?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by m00dy »

Dear Ladies,Gentleman and all non binary people, Turkey is doing a really important military offence and I strongly believe that having this kind of cautions should be in place to control unexpected things might happen in the region. Last but not least, this is an actual war not a movie in your tv set. So, governments should have basic instinct to protect their citizens.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by _xnmw »

primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by coldcode »

grenoire wrote: post #45
Diederich wrote: post #43

Echoing another comment: does anyone here know how this block is implemented? Is it a DNS block?

Turkey used to implement DNS blocks but these days (because people learned to quickly circumvent DNS blocks by Google or OpenDNS) they straight up don't route the IPs.

I wonder with IPV6 could you not come up with a IP hopping protocol so that you can't actually block specific hosts without way too much effort? Maybe it would not work for the general internet, but maybe for some alternative just for this kind of situation?

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by m00dy »

m00dy wrote: post #53

Dear Ladies,Gentleman and all non binary people, Turkey is doing a really important military offence and I strongly believe that having this kind of cautions should be in place to control unexpected things might happen in the region. Last but not least, this is an actual war not a movie in your tv set. So, governments should have basic instinct to protect their citizens.

you can devote my comment. But, you can't change my mind.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by mtw »

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by staz »

_xnmw wrote: post #55
primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

Yeah cause more wars isn't going to create more refugees...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by m00dy »

staz wrote: post #59
_xnmw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

Yeah cause more wars isn't going to create more refugees...

This is not the first operation that Turkey has been doing. I believe this should be 3rd or 4th one. In previous ones, there weren't a refugee strike through borders.
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