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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by sremani »

mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

>> I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side.

What is special about 2019 ? Borders move, countries expand and contract. New countries form, old countries disappear. Happens all the time.

The areas that are being occupied by Turkey have been under ottaman rule since 1500s to WW-I, and only the last 100 years or so they were not! Countries like Syria, Iraq etc have borders that were drawn on maps by people who did not live there. So, long story short expect many countries in Middle East to reconfigure their borders, new autonomous regions spurt and old regions disappear.

Border changes happened all the time but the two world wars and the subsequent world order and bloc politics have frozen these changes. Now that post-war order is slowly crumbling so are the dynamics in various parts of the world.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by mcsofake »

TheArcane wrote: post #83
m00dy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Archbishop Hindo: violence and intimidation of the Kurd militias on Christians increase in Hassaké: http://www.fides.org/en/news/60791-ASIA_SYRIA_Archbishop_Hin...

Kurdish YPG/Asayish Forces Once Again Kidnap Christians in Northeast Syria: https://wca-ngo.org/wca-news/press-releases/607-kurds_forced...

Kurdish YPG Unlawfully Closes Aramean and Armenian Schools: https://wca-ngo.org/wca-news/press-releases/613-ypg_illegal-...

Video Shows Christian Property in Syria Seized by Kurdish Forces: https://wca-ngo.org/wca-news/press-releases/591-video-shows-...

Very strong Western values, indeed.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by reaperducer »

driverdan wrote: post #69
99052882514569 wrote: post #27

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I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

Blocking sites like this is never reasonable.

Blocking sites like this is never reasonable

Turkey has a long history of blocking web sites, even in peacetime. The last time I went there, I was surprised how many web sites I couldn't access.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by KON_Air »

ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I don't see how betrayal comes into play, that is the function Kurds chose as mercenaries in Middle East. They essentially play "Red Communist State" vs American brand of "Nationalist" Turkey/Syria.. etc. They did in Iraq and got themselves a semi-independent feudal state, this time Syria held on with Russia and they are getting nothing.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by selimthegrim »

npx wrote: post #158
dang wrote: post #136

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Please don't use HN for regional flamewar or ethnic flamewar or racial flamewar or political flamewar or nationalistic flamewar. We ban accounts that do those things. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In my defense, I wasn't trying to do any of those things. I don't want personally want to be involved, I don't want the military of my country to be involved, and to the point of this story: I don't even really want my internet connection to be involved. In the final analysis, I would prefer to be on another planet entirely.

Take a vacation to Kazan sometime, you might be in for a surprise

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by [deleted] »

themagician wrote: post #173
plehoux wrote: post #6

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Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.

We don't need Starlink or SpaceX or VPNs. Radio is difficult if not impossible to block with clever operators. The system is known. Satellite will always be subject to whoever is in power at the time and it won't work within a building. If you want to get information in and out the best option is—and possible always will be–a network of skilled radio operators.

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by iiv »

johnchristopher wrote: post #80
m00dy wrote: post #65

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First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

Regardless of wether you are wrong or right I believe you shouldn't be downvoted since your comment serves as a different point of view.

There is no inherent value in having a different view. There's value in having a different view that has some value.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by ericd »

journalctl wrote: post #174
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #159

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I’m sure this would be happening in any country. Even USA. I’m not defending Turkey here though.

I just meant that unless customers were talking to satellites directly, presumably there would still be a Turkish ISP in the middle that would be able to route Facebook et al into the æther. But maybe I’m misunderstanding how Starlink works.

I think the current plan is for them to talk to the satellites directly? One of the reasons they're trying to get the costs of the antennas down to ~$300.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by olah_1 »

thedaemon wrote: post #91
olah_1 wrote: post #18

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Relevant Tweet: >Mastodon is proving to be a system so censorship resistant even its creators can't censor it. https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1147772867783929856 It seems like federation is actually more censorship resistant in some ways than fully distributed p2p systems. Because an ISP could block ports and things required for p2p connections, right?

Can you post the relevant Toot instead? I think using a twitter link for mastodon is going against mastodon user philosophy.

It's a tweet though...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by eecc »

_xnmw wrote: post #55
primroot wrote: post #38

Also related. "Turkey’s Erdogan threatens to release millions of refugees into Europe over criticism of Syria offensive" https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-re... Emphasis mine.

Seems like a fair threat to me. Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. If Europe blocks its efforts to stabilize a part of Syria so it can repatriate Syrians, it seems logical to tell Europe "if you won't support our solution, you should share the cost of accommodating the refugees".

Dude, EU already coughed up 9 Billion EUR when Erdogan threatened to let them through.

EU politicians were too afraid of the xenophobic shitstorm on the one hand, and the media catastrophe of thousands of boat-people drowning at sea.

So they complied. You never comply to a blackmail, there's no end to the demands.

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