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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by jacobush »

_xnmw wrote: post #72
jaynetics wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turkey has been bearing the burden of accommodating the majority of Syrian refugees. Are you aware that this is wholly down to a deal between the EU and Turkey which includes, amongst others, payments of about 6bn EUR to Turkey?

I was aware. But the costs of accommodating refugees are more than just financial. The social cost is much bigger. I think it's fair that Turkey is looking for a longer-term solution for asylum seekers, not simply taking money and feeding them.

Invasion might not be the best way though. I think we will find.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by olah_1 »

gaius_baltar wrote: post #169
Funes- wrote: post #28

What about a distributed P2P platform like Aether[0]? Would that be blockable by any given state or authority? [0]: https://getaether.net

Isn't that basically recreating Retroshare ?

It's a souped-up usenet. Privacy and democratic moderation is built-in.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by olah_1 »

Funes- wrote: post #28

What about a distributed P2P platform like Aether[0]? Would that be blockable by any given state or authority? [0]: https://getaether.net

I actually think something like https://www.manyver.se is a better example because it uses so many different ways to get information out. Pubs and rooms over the clear net. Bluetooth, direct p2p, same network connections, etc.

I think the future of p2p is utilizing not just one protocol but many of them.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by m00dy »

jacobush wrote: post #205
m00dy wrote: post #194

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Turkey has been fighting with PKK for than 30 years now. I can say that having a safe zone within our borders didn't work so far.

And this magically will?

yes, according to famous book 'Art of War by sun tzu', you have to defeat the enemy at his place.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by lostlogin »

PrussianSteel wrote: post #221
BostonEnginerd wrote: post #210

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I recently transited through Istanbul and noticed two things: 1) You can't get an internet connection at the airport without giving up PII - either your ticket info, or your cellphone information. 2) They block Wikipedia in the airport and on the in-flight WiFi on Turkish Airlines.

It’s a nationwide thing, not just a Turkish Airlines/airport block. I think Wikipedia’s been blocked for several years now.

It has. Here is the Wikipedia entry on the block. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by lostlogin »

researcher1 wrote: post #224
mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

I would like to point out one detail which is the fact that these forces has been killing our civillians and soldiers even before I was born. They claim that these territories (East part of Turkey) should be governed by them thus they perfectly find it acceptable to kill "enemy soliders and civillians" and then uplaod every single video of their "operation" to their website and demonsrate their "great" achivements wh…

The kill ratio is roughly 5 Kurds for each Turkish death. The cost to turkey has been hundreds of billions of dollars too. The reports from international human rights organisations like Amnesty International are grim. Turkey is using murder and torture systematically. While what I can see likely has bias, if you are in Turkey it is far harder and possibly dangerous to get good information due to state censorship and oppression. Almost any other way of handling this situation would be better, but I haven’t the faintest idea what the average Turkish citizen could do to help this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish–Turkish_conflict_(19... https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by lostlogin »

dmix wrote: post #223
p4bl0 wrote: post #215

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The fact that the PKK is a terrorist organization is not at all a given. It is propaganda pushed by the Turkish government. The US government follows and so NATO too but without real ground for it (other than disliking communists a lot, I mean). The UN does not consider the PKK as a terrorist organization, and the EU Court ruled that it should be removed for the terrorist organizations list.

I follow this stuff pretty closely. Any organization that suicide bombs civilian areas is a terrorist IMO. The EU, NATO, Japan, etc didn't start using that designation for nothing. PKK also had an estimated 3000 child soldiers which were also used for terror operations and in combat in Syria: https://hrwf.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Child-soldiers-in...

Both sides are using terrorism on civilians but the label doesn’t stick when the explosives come from a plane or gun barrel. Both sides are US allies and this can be solved with pressure from other states too.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by lostlogin »

neetdeth wrote: post #203
TheAlchemist wrote: post #141

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It's exactly the sentiment now in Poland. We have some precedents in our own history, especially in the beginning of the WW II, and a lot of people are shaking their heads - we consider ourselves as important US allies but it's clearly interpreted as the sign that you can only count on yourself in this world.

Poland and Turkey are both NATO allies. That should count for a bit more than being incidental pawns for CIA / State Dept. interventionism, no? In fact, the reputation of those latter arms of our government is so deep in the dumpster at this point that I cannot believe anyone who becomes entangled with them can claim naivety. This idea that the USA has a deep obligation to a handful of communist ethnic militias in th…

The US arming and approving the actions of the oppressor for a genocide is very much a potential outcome here. It’s worth preventing that possibility.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by researcher1 »

lostlogin wrote: post #237
researcher1 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to point out one detail which is the fact that these forces has been killing our civillians and soldiers even before I was born. They claim that these territories (East part of Turkey) should be governed by them thus they perfectly find it acceptable to kill "enemy soliders and civillians" and then uplaod every single video of their "operation" to their website and demonsrate their "great" achivements wh…

The kill ratio is roughly 5 Kurds for each Turkish death. The cost to turkey has been hundreds of billions of dollars too. The reports from international human rights organisations like Amnesty International are grim. Turkey is using murder and torture systematically. While what I can see likely has bias, if you are in Turkey it is far harder and possibly dangerous to get good information due to state censorship and…

Thanks for pointing out the wiki regarding kurdish-turkish conflict. I will be doing further reading on overall conflict just to inform myself even further.

I also would like to make a point on something but in order to do that first I invite you to imagine how is it like to fear just to travel some of your own country cities because when you are travelling there is a possibility of rocket or bomb ambush among the mountains. Imagine, teachers in those cities are captured and killed in your schools. Imagine regular people doing their job get rocket attacks thus get killed on a monthly basis. Imagine many more things like that could happen on a monthly basis in your very own country. Finally, imagine that this is going on for over 30 year and all of those attacks performed by single terrorist organization with ultimate purpose of taking control of approximately 1/4 of your country.

Now, do you think after thousands of death happend in your country for over 30 years, bombs detonated in your home cities. Would that death ratio still make sense while all of these events possibly still going on to you?

If still you think 1-5 ratio still make sense and we should stop defending ourselves against terrorists, I encourage you to do this mental exercise of imagining all of those events one more time and possibly see what are the typical reaction of countries towards this kind of hostility in their own lands. (Although I haven't done comprehensive research on 11/11 event, I think it possibly has potential to demonstrate how could one country go further when it faces with such terrorist attacks to stop it.)

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