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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by TheAlchemist »

ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

It's exactly the sentiment now in Poland.

We have some precedents in our own history, especially in the beginning of the WW II, and a lot of people are shaking their heads - we consider ourselves as important US allies but it's clearly interpreted as the sign that you can only count on yourself in this world.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by dang »

oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25
enriquto wrote: post #12

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

Please don't take HN threads further into political or nationalistic flamewar. Perhaps the GP was provocative, but on HN the idea is not to take provocation and definitely not to blow it up much larger.

We'd appreciate it if you'd read and follow the site guidelines, which you broke badly with this post.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by [deleted] »

oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25
enriquto wrote: post #12

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by OldFatCactus »

OzzyB wrote: post #61
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

defending fascism is a bold move, my man

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by Fronzie »

navigatesol wrote: post #139
ipsin wrote: post #51

I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

> a surprise withdrawal This may be a surprise to you, but this withdrawal was announced in December of 2018, and even by then it had been discussed for months: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/20/syria-kurds-tr... This is a Syrian civil war. Do you expect the military to take and hold territory on behalf of the Kurds? They were a partner of convenience because we happened to have a common enemy. Turkey is…

It was also a surprise for senior republicans, giving disapproving comments on president Trump. This is something they rarely have done before.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-joins-othe...

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by mda »

kyledrake wrote: post #131
spoiledtechie wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

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Stick to facts please.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by journalctl »

plehoux wrote: post #6
dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.

“Hey, Turkish ISPs? This is the government. We’re gonna need you to black hole some BGP routes or else. Thanks.”

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by tdb7893 »

99052882514569 wrote: post #27
dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

At first I was thinking that intelligence operations probably have better ways to gather and exfiltrate date but I guess now that their allies have abandoned them they might not actually have better ways to get or share info. This is one of the reasons I can't wait until there are more satellite providers. It's hopefully much harder for a country to block a bunch of satellites in LEO than terrestrial lines.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by dmix »

m00dy wrote: post #65
mtw wrote: post #58

I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

The only good argument IMO is that the Kurd's YPG won't distance themselves from the (actual) PKK terrorists. If they made steps to do so then Turkey wouldn't have nearly as good of a justification and I wonder if this would be different. Although I'm doubtful Turkey would still make that distinction.

The border security argument is a bit weak. You shouldn't need to cross a border to defend a border.

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