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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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I wonder with IPV6 could you not come up with a IP hopping protocol so that you can't actually block specific hosts without way too much effort? Maybe it would not work for the general internet, but maybe for some alternative just for this kind of situation?

With this sort of thing, you tend to block networks, not individual IPs. Regardless of how many IPv6 addresses you can use, they're going to be groupable, most likely.

Agreed, collateral blocks are not necessarily your worries in such scenarios. You could block all of the (e.g.) AWS datacenters for all that matters, if your endgame is preventing access to social media services.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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I find Turkey and its government are behaving like an authoritarian regime, much alike Saudi Arabia. I don't understand how invading another country's territory is accepted in 2019. On the other side, the Kurds have lost thousands to fight ISIS (on the behalf of the West), have strong equality men/women etc. We should support the Kurds and cut connections to Turkey

First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies

It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

In Catalonia there is a trial in process, that will edict verdict very soon.

And there are no political prisoners. There are people that believed they could unilaterally break the law of Spain, that is the State they currently belong to, with no consequences.

They are consequences to braking the law. Even considering Catalonia sovereighn, that is not, they would need 2/3 of the parliament to pass laws they passed with simple majority.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Yeah cause more wars isn't going to create more refugees...

This is not the first operation that Turkey has been doing. I believe this should be 3rd or 4th one. In previous ones, there weren't a refugee strike through borders.

"Turkish guards at the border with Syria are indiscriminately shooting at and summarily returning asylum seekers attempting to cross into Turkey, Human Rights Watch said." https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-turke... This occurred during Operation Olive Branch.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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First of all, Turkey is not invading any country. This is just a military offence for securing our borders. It is a basic instinct that every state has nowadays. It is like border that US is now building on Mexico. Just imagine bunch of mexican gangs trespassing your US border and make some unrest. This is almost same situation. Turkey is the country that killed most ISIS fighters. Having strong equality between man/…

> Having strong equality between man/women shouldn't be the only parameter when you are picking up your allies It does become a lot easier for them to qualify as allies if they share core western values

Oh really ? How about political view of PKK/YPG ? Do you think they embrace western values as well ? They are Marxist–Leninist Communist.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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1. Criticism is not blocking. 2. It's a military invasion. The precedent of Operation Olive Branch indicates that calling this an "effort to stabilize" is an abuse of semantics. 3. Do you have any source indicating that Kurdish control is contributing to the displacement of people? 4. More about "efforts to stabilize": "Criticism of Turkish alleged support for Jihadists, including ISIL, and of targeting Kurds" https:…

> 2. It's a military invasion. The precedent of Operation Olive Branch indicates that calling this an "effort to stabilize" is an abuse of semantics. Then what was America doing there?

I don't see your point. If I say a military invasion is not semantically equivalent to an "effort to stabilize," I leave open the possibility that some invasions do have a stabilizing effect, but that is never something evident but something that has to be argued for. I don't feel like digressing into drawing Venn Diagrams.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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I'm still shocked at how thoroughly the United States betrayed the groups like YPG that we were working with months ago. Destroying fortifications on the Syrian border [1], providing intel to Turkey. There's an official denial of a "green light", but it's pretty clear that that's exactly what it was -- a surprise withdrawal and support ahead of Turkey's offensive. U.S. hardware, support, and consent. It might as well…

I'm more shocked at comments like yours that get echoed and promoted without any context whatsoever, but then again "Anti-Turkishism" is a thing. What I'm shocked about is how a so called ally can side and arm a vowed terrorist group for years and expect there to be no fallout, but then "Pro-Kurdishism" is a thing. I do love however the narrative that the Kurds are this angelic force that helped us when no other woul…

First of all, not all Kurds = PKK (the terrorist organization you are referencing) and not all arms of the PKK commit acts of terrorism. Second, the atrocities committed by Turkey are on the same scale as terrorism, the difference is only in the semantics.

Look at the human rights violations and civilian casualties committed by both the PKK and Turkey here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish%E2%80%93Turkish_confli...

There are families and civilians living in the regions being bombed by Turkey right now and they are defenseless because the Kurds dismantled their battle stations under the recent Turkey-US agreement.

The Kurds have been massacred numerous times throughout recent history by Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. It would be naive to think a militant organization wouldn't form out of the atrocities committed onto them by these various nations as a means to protect themselves. Not to say this excuses acts of terrorism and corruption committed by the PKK, but a blanket bombing campaign is the worst possible answer.

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