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U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by devoply »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #249
wideasleep1 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade... I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.

I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.

Yeah it's a national security concern because if someone is leading so heavily they will destroy your lead and then you will never catch up. Just look at what happened to so many European tech companies.

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Post by hnick »

lgvln wrote: post #232
killjoywashere wrote: post #213

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Ah... China has been a one-party police state with intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles for my entire adult life (I'm in my 40s). The only thing I don't understand is why anyone ever thought they weren't a threat.

Their no first use policy perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use#China

That seems to be a useful policy when you're on your way to being a world power.

It also seems to be the kind of policy that will be broken when convenient after becoming a world power.

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Post by dang »

sdenton4 wrote: post #240
ThinkBackTo wrote: post #227

Given the enormity of their population, one would expect they would have managed to come up with something . Honestly the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth. (Edit: since Chinese trolls have been down voting me, I will reply here to the comment below: clearly by the Chinese nation I was talking about the 1.3 billion in China. There should…

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Please don't feed the trolls. This is in the site guidelines, under more delicate wording.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #229
ThinkBackTo wrote: post #227

Given the enormity of their population, one would expect they would have managed to come up with something . Honestly the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth. (Edit: since Chinese trolls have been down voting me, I will reply here to the comment below: clearly by the Chinese nation I was talking about the 1.3 billion in China. There should…

>the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth. Really? I find this argument hard to believe. Also this is what I worry about. The US China conflict has a real likelihood of becoming a full on race war against Chinese people in America, thanks to sentiments like the one above.

I appreciate the mildness of your response to that provocation, but it's a garden variety troll whom we've banned many times. Please just flag and move on.

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Post by thawaway1837 »

refurb wrote: post #231
ENOTTY wrote: post #177

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My instinct is that an Obama/Clinton administration would not have used a trade blacklist or tariffs.

Probably not. The Obama approach was a much softer touch. Trump is certainly following up on his threats, but that approach carries some big risks as China can retaliate. It will come down to who blinks first.

It may have been a “softer” approach but it would Have been a far cheaper, and more effective approach.

It would also have had the benefit of building alliances that centered around the US, as opposed to weakening alliances.

The tariffs have served to strengthen China’s position in the world, more than anything else. As an example, consider the fact that Germany is now allowing the Chinese to enter their market.

The reality is that when the RoW sees the US trying to strangle China economically in this fashion, they recognize that they also could be next (or, as was the case in the Trump tariffs, the European and Japanese allies were first on being hit by tariffs).

The only long term effect this is gonna have is basically to blunt American economic leadership, and the centrality of the American economy to the world.

Which may be a good thing, frankly, for the world at large, but is almost certainly not gonna be a good thing for American leadership and quality of life.

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Post by [deleted] »

ThinkBackTo wrote: post #222
resters wrote: post #173

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Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either party, so my view is hopefully a bit objective. Trump ran on the economic policy ideas popularized by "liberal" economist Paul Krugman. I posted a comment on HN a while back with links to Krugman's various columns, with a header above each group that included the rhetoric used by Trump to tout those policies. Krugman has been calling for trade policy changes against China for quite…

Dang, can you do something about accounts like parent who purports neutrality but is clearly a Chinese troll from a casual look at their comment history?

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Post by pbourke »

dragontamer wrote: post #202
isoskeles wrote: post #194

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The trade war, as far as I understand, started largely because companies were complaining about Intellectual Property being stolen. Although I figure the larger reason is China is a threat to American global influence, and we're trying to make sure we're the dominant country. Regardless, I don't know how you quantify "if the US economy was hurt" in a consistent and accurate way. I'm sure some would want to use the S&…

> The trade war, as far as I understand, started largely because companies were complaining about Intellectual Property being stolen. The Midwest doesn't care about intellectual property rights. IP rights is mostly a west-coast (ie: Hollywood / Silicon Valley) thing. Ford and GM aren't the ones having their tech stolen by China... its Cisco and Apple who have to worry about that stuff. Frankly: we all know why the tr…

> The Midwest doesn't care about intellectual property rights.

Are you sure about that? Have you asked John Deere, Spirit Aerospace, Cargill, ADM, Citadel Investments, ...?

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Post by pinkfoot »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #255
refurb wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not. The Obama approach was a much softer touch. Trump is certainly following up on his threats, but that approach carries some big risks as China can retaliate. It will come down to who blinks first.

It may have been a “softer” approach but it would Have been a far cheaper, and more effective approach. It would also have had the benefit of building alliances that centered around the US, as opposed to weakening alliances. The tariffs have served to strengthen China’s position in the world, more than anything else. As an example, consider the fact that Germany is now allowing the Chinese to enter their market. The…

"…Germany is now allowing the Chinese to enter their market."

Out of curiosity, when did the Federal Government have a ban on Chinese companies doing business in Germany?

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Post by dang »

ThinkBackTo wrote: post #227

Given the enormity of their population, one would expect they would have managed to come up with something . Honestly the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth. (Edit: since Chinese trolls have been down voting me, I will reply here to the comment below: clearly by the Chinese nation I was talking about the 1.3 billion in China. There should…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21199916 and marked it off-topic.

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Post by leereeves »

softwaredoug wrote: post #131
saltking112 wrote: post #3

One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

Trump lending his name to “getting tough on a China” is probably a sure fire way that “getting tough on China” will be in the political wilderness for the next 10 years.

Do you hate Trump so much that you'd choose the wrong side of an issue just to be on the other side from him?
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