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U.S. widens trade blacklist to include some of China’s top AI startups

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Post by chr1 »

resters wrote: post #173
saltking112 wrote: post #3

One thing that I really like about the Trump administration is that finally the WH has decided to act against the systemic threat posed by China. Can someone who is well versed in politics shed some light on if this is a trump specific phenonemon or had there been a sea change and the dems are now on board too ?

Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either party, so my view is hopefully a bit objective. Trump ran on the economic policy ideas popularized by "liberal" economist Paul Krugman. I posted a comment on HN a while back with links to Krugman's various columns, with a header above each group that included the rhetoric used by Trump to tout those policies. Krugman has been calling for trade policy changes against China for quite…

Chinas economic future is not quite so bright, their moronic one child policy have prepared a time bomb for them which is going to reduce their working age population catastrophically, making catching up with US very hard.

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Post by JimboOmega »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #199

I guess I am a somewhat neutral bystander here. I'm from India and the way I see it, these sorts of actions, will simply force China and Chinese companies to develop alternatives to US products. For the short to medium term these blacklists will hurt Chinese companies severely, perhaps even put some of them out of business. However, in the long term 15-20 years, I would imagine, China would have fully caught up with…

Actually, a lot of the reasoning behind the tariffs is the converse, that if we can't rely on China for making all of our [insert thing here], we'll have to make it ourselves. I mean, maybe we have to build iPhones in the United States and build up the supply chain for that?

At least, that's the thinking.

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Post by serf »

ThinkBackTo wrote: post #225
sumanthvepa wrote: post #199

I guess I am a somewhat neutral bystander here. I'm from India and the way I see it, these sorts of actions, will simply force China and Chinese companies to develop alternatives to US products. For the short to medium term these blacklists will hurt Chinese companies severely, perhaps even put some of them out of business. However, in the long term 15-20 years, I would imagine, China would have fully caught up with…

I don't understand why you consider yourself a neutral observer. Aren't our countries allies, politically, economically and militarily?

Citizenship is usually a passive trait that is imbued by right of locale of birth.

A citizen can very much be a neutral observer philosophically, given that a citizen has very little capability to sway the nation politically, economically, or militarily.

In fact, a citizen who thinks that they are participating on the nation-stage is probably more delusional than the opposite.

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Post by zaroth »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #229
ThinkBackTo wrote: post #227

Given the enormity of their population, one would expect they would have managed to come up with something . Honestly the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth. (Edit: since Chinese trolls have been down voting me, I will reply here to the comment below: clearly by the Chinese nation I was talking about the 1.3 billion in China. There should…

>the world would be a far, far better place if the entire Chinese nation were to disappear off the surface of the earth. Really? I find this argument hard to believe. Also this is what I worry about. The US China conflict has a real likelihood of becoming a full on race war against Chinese people in America, thanks to sentiments like the one above.

I think we can all agree sentiments like that are repugnant regardless of how you feel about the political system, human rights abuses, IP theft & protection, environmental rights, etc. of your trading partners.

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Post by AlexCoventry »

tintinlotus wrote: post #233
AlexCoventry wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't dahua a homonym for bullshit in Mandarin? ("Big talk?") I'm surprised a company would choose that name.

It' "Big China" in Chinese.

Yes, but a homonym is "大话", which I gather is a colloquial expression for "bullshit."

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Post by kelnos »

ThinkBackTo wrote: post #222
resters wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either party, so my view is hopefully a bit objective. Trump ran on the economic policy ideas popularized by "liberal" economist Paul Krugman. I posted a comment on HN a while back with links to Krugman's various columns, with a header above each group that included the rhetoric used by Trump to tout those policies. Krugman has been calling for trade policy changes against China for quite…

Dang, can you do something about accounts like parent who purports neutrality but is clearly a Chinese troll from a casual look at their comment history?

Just because someone says something you disagree with, it doesn't mean they're a troll or deserve attention from moderators. If there's something factually incorrect in the parent's post, why not offer evidence to the contrary?

I'll let the site guidelines finish my thought:

"Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data."

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Post by thawaway1837 »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #199

I guess I am a somewhat neutral bystander here. I'm from India and the way I see it, these sorts of actions, will simply force China and Chinese companies to develop alternatives to US products. For the short to medium term these blacklists will hurt Chinese companies severely, perhaps even put some of them out of business. However, in the long term 15-20 years, I would imagine, China would have fully caught up with…

Not just China. It’s also leading to India, and Europe to reconsider their reliance on the US.

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Post by ericd »

killjoywashere wrote: post #156
CharlesColeman wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not sure why everyone glorifies basic manufacturing work like it’s the pinnacle of American labor. War requires a lot of basic manufacturing capacity, and geopolitically those aren't good things to lose.

Geopolitically, would it not be better too have a world economy that is to interdependent to support war as a viable path to resolution of differences.

I remember reading somewhere that people in the run-up to WW1 were saying that war was impossible, we'd entered a new age, the world was too interdependent to go to war, there was too much trade.

Nations with all the manufacturing and farming they need to survive regardless may not feel so restrained. And countries can always form self-sufficient blocs.

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Post by thawaway1837 »

wideasleep1 wrote: post #237
primordialsoup wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. Do you have sources from non-"mainstream media" that indicate otherwise?

Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade... I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.

I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.

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Post by cepp »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #245
tintinlotus wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It' "Big China" in Chinese.

Yes, but a homonym is "大话", which I gather is a colloquial expression for "bullshit."

A quick look [1] on 有道 reveals that this is not a homonym.

[1]: https://www.youdao.com/w/eng/bullshit/#keyfrom=dict2.index

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