Hey Barr, if innocent people have nothing to hide, please set an example by releasing all your private communications to the public.
Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption
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Yeah considering the profoundly terrible conditions in the concentration camps this administration is holding children in, this seems a littlllleeee disingenuous.
This administration? Is that singular?
I'm not interested in getting into a slapfight about who was worse, but I think it's pretty clear that _The Trump Administration_ is treating Southern American migrants purposefully poorly.
I know you're trying to point out some supposed hypocrisy for not criticizing Obama or Clinton or something, so I'll let you know I think they too enacted unforgivable political violence. Happy?
People exist outside the Republican/Democrat spectrum.
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah considering the profoundly terrible conditions in the concentration camps this administration is holding children in, this seems a littlllleeee disingenuous.
You scoff, but history is full of democracies that did things like that. Recent history. Governments can go bad, and we should be especially wary in an age when technology gives then extra leverage. I wonder if there will come a day when it's impossible to overthrow your government - or if we're already there. Edit: actually thinking you might be seriously talking about conditions for illegal immigrants detained in t…
Your edit is correct, I'm very serious unfortunately.
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This is what I find so fascinating. Yes, it cannot be intercepted in transit. But nothing is stopping the keyboard on which I type or the text box in which I type from collecting all the things and sending those things where ever they want. In-transit interception, in this context, seems like a fruitless threat model when compared to the keyboard/text box vector.
With respect to facebook in particular, they have had the means of reading the messages on either side for ages, even before it was required by law. iOS and Android both have "leaky sandboxing", where certain apps from the same publisher can read each other's data and memory, and Facebook added WhatsApp to its sandbox almost immediately after acquiring it, allowing the main Facebook and Messenger apps to read all the…
Any more reading on this?
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#355Question for those more knowledgeable than I in this space: a huge value prop for iMessage is E2E encryption, correct? Why hasn't that gotten similar response from the AG? (OR has it already, and I may have missed it?)
I'd like to contrast with the other responses here by offering my suspicion that Apple is cooperating with governments to quietly swap out keys for users upon receiving a court order. It would explain why Skype was banned by China and iMessage was not.
This. Apple cooperates a lot with law enforcement than they let out. While they make a big deal about on-device security, iCLoud which most users turn on is the loophole. Apple turns in backup content when asked much more willingly.
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Facebook can read the messages at both ends This is why I believe that end-to-end encryption is not truly useful unless the source code of the clients is public, or the protocol is open. Any closed source client can read messages at the ends, or be forced to do so by an evil government. At the very least, they could open up XMPP compatibility again so that people could write their own open source clients for it. Au…
I've been bouncing around the idea of a fully decentralized end-to-end encrypted chat protocol for exactly this reason, but I've been afraid to work on it for precisely the reason this thread is being discussed. I know that if my name were attached to the project, I'd be facing all kinds of unwelcome scrutiny from the government and news agencies. I'd lose the very privacy I want to maintain by designing privacy-prot…
What's the advantage of decentralisation? Is it really a problem to have centralised servers if they're just storing dumb encrypted blobs?
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Some crimes can also be aided by whispered in-person conversation. Should we require all in-person conversation to be shouted near a government office? The societal default used to be that substantially all conversations were inaccessible to the government except through testimony. Encryption does nothing to change the availability of information through testimony. Previously, remote conspirators could collaborate th…
I think your point is very important. Forbidding e2e encryption only enables mass surveillance. It does not affect traditional investigative work. There are other existing tools for the job. Anyone remember the FBI and Apple case a few years back? How quickly the FBI hacked the phone after Apple wouldn't cave? Other tools exist to do targeted surveillance and targeted attacks. Only authoritarians want mass surveillan…
> Anyone remember the FBI and Apple case a few years back? How quickly the FBI hacked the phone after Apple wouldn't cave?
To be fair, Apple is working to ensure FBI won't be able to do that next time.
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#358Isn't this a bit like saying we need to install government controlled cameras in everyones houses because people are selling drugs from within their living rooms?
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#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
Epstein committed suicide. Did you miss the news coverage? And I’m not sure what the AG has to do with Epstein’s crimes. Did you get some people mixed up?
There's enough conflicting information about the suicide that that particular conspiracy theory is going to have legs for a long time to come.
Better to just call it a substantiated theory at this point.
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#360Maybe what we need is an "encrypted messaging system" generator.
If there is an infinite supply of encrypted channels, controlling them all becomes literally impossible.