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It's called laptop, smartphone and smart tv, is already available and we do know it's already watched and listened to.
^^^ Source Please.
hey alexa !
Attorney General will ask Zuckerberg to halt plans for end-to-end encryption
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There has to be some nuance from the absolute privacy folks on this one. How do we balance the need to fight child abuse with privacy? There isn't. This is a logical fallacy. Violating everyone's privacy is not the way to fight child abuse, not even one of the ways that can do anything to prevent it.
I'm not sure what the logical fallacy is you're referring to. I'm not advocating that we backdoor encryption. I'm asking what's the nuance in privacy vs crime prevention. I guess your position is one of an absolute, and therefore, to me, not especially interesting. I am curious what you think are the ways we can fight child abuse. It seems to me we have some obligation as technologists to see that our works aren't us…
> I'm asking what's the nuance in privacy vs crime prevention.
This is the whole problem. There _is_ nuance. Users can still report content, even if it's private. Automated detection systems can still run client-side. Public forums like Facebook itself are still targetable, and we can increase funding and counseling for moderators in those public spaces to reduce turnover.
Barr is the one here saying that, "mere numbers" aren't enough to talk about the problem. How exactly are we supposed to compromise with that? What exactly is a 'nuanced' response to the argument that any system that allows even one child to be abused is unacceptable?
Barr isn't going to be happy unless law enforcement can read every single message. And he's going to trot out the same arguments every single time. And every time we respond, somebody is going to be jumping in to say, "but why can't we just have a little nuance? Why are all of you so dogmatic about this?"
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#213I guess FB could just respond by linking to this blog post: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/05/end-to-end-encryption/
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I mean, I doubt that many UK natives know the name of the US Attorney General off the top of their heads. It seems like a reasonable mixup to me.
Reasonable to think that a soft drink provider would ask FB to not use end-to-end encryption? But I agree that AG should be expanded.
They realized that something was off, obviously. They were just saying it was confusing at first because without the context of knowing who Barr is, "AG" is a nonsense word. The only remaining parse is a soft-drink company.
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#215The corrupt and criminal AG recruiting foreign governments to interfere in our elections? That one?
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#216The problem is deeper than just protecting your data against the government: One of the products these guys sold to corrupt goverments was a tool to plant CP on people's computers.
https://hacked.com/italian-hacking-team-hacked/
How do you like those apples?
I can't think of a technical defense against a threat like that that doesn't involve disconnecting all the computers in my house and throwing them away.
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The Second Great CryptoWar: https://reason.com/2013/03/12/the-second-great-crypto-war/ > "The proponents of this process use fear tactics to win support, what the four cypherpunks dub "The Four Horsemen of the Info-pocalypse: child pornography, terrorism, money laundering, and the War on Some Drugs." In other words, laws passed to go after child pornographers, terrorists, money launderers, and drug dealers end up chi…
I'm not entirely sure how those four examples are supposedly invalidated by giving them a clever nickname. I'll take the privacy side in most any discussion of privacy-vs-security, but categorically denying the possibility that some crimes could be aided by encryption seems a step to far. It's also bad PR strategy: anybody not already on your side will be put off by your apparent lack of reasoning skills. Instead, ac…
Some crimes can also be aided by whispered in-person conversation. Should we require all in-person conversation to be shouted near a government office?
The societal default used to be that substantially all conversations were inaccessible to the government except through testimony. Encryption does nothing to change the availability of information through testimony.
Previously, remote conspirators could collaborate through the post, and their conversations could only be accessed with a warrant specifically targeting those communicators. End-to-end encryption does little to change the availability of information in a targeted investigation; it just means it's a little more difficult to access the information than entering a phone number into XKeyscore. Investigators can install malware on the device, or microphones and video cameras in the suspect's home to hear or see what is being communicated.
Forbidding end-to-end encryption, in combination with our mass surveillance apparatus, changes the societal default to be that substantially all conversations are trivially and automatically accessible to the government.
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It's called laptop, smartphone and smart tv, is already available and we do know it's already watched and listened to.
^^^ Source Please.
How about the (now former) head of the FBI recommending we cover our front-facing cameras?
https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/the-fbi-recommends-you-c...
and, mostly because it's mentioned in the engadget article:
https://twitter.com/topherolson/status/745294977064828929/ph...
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#220> We are writing to request that Facebook does not proceed with its plan to implement end-to-end encryption across its messaging services without ensuring that there is no reduction to user safety. Oh, so you’re asking for more end-to-end encryption? > While the letter acknowledges that Facebook, which owns Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, and Instagram, captures 99% of child exploitation and terrorism-related content t…
99% of domestic disturbances happen in private homes. Should they put cameras there, too?
People are installing and paying for them already. IoT / Alexa / Ring / etc...