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Post by ubercow13 »

dylz wrote: post #228
commoner wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, this should have been obvious in hindsight. One more for people with cell phone plans that don't adhere to net neutrality: Warp can probably bypass quality caps on video streaming. Traditional VPNs are strictly better than Warp+, as far as I can see, but the free version of Warp is a generous offering for users who would otherwise not be using a VPN.

Warp excludes many sites from traffic routing (like video)

Source? That seems like a huge caveat - WARP protects your privacy except for specific sites you visit that Cloudflare silently decides on?

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Post by opdahl »

kristofferR wrote: post #37

It's borderline unusable for me. It takes 20 seconds for every YouTube video to load while they load instantaneous without WARP: https://streamable.com/9tp1k

Same for me. Uninstalled because of this. I feel for those people that won’t understand that the app that says they will get faster speed is the one slowing them down.

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Post by makomk »

shkkmo wrote: post #281
bsenftner wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran a small web service in the video game industry for several years, and CloudFlare was essential to our survival, as the DDoS attacks would repeat every few weeks, and at times last 6 to 12 hours at a time. CloudFlare simply ate that up, and our customers were not impacted. Today, at a different company, different industry, we use CloudFlare for similar needs, but within physical area security networks. It's esse…

I would not be surprised to find out that companies that have significant exposure to video game users have much higher DDOS risks.

They do, and CloudFlare has historically been part of the reason why they have such high DDoS risks. There's a bunch of "booter" sites out there which effectively sell botnet-as-a-service DDoS attacks to gamers, and those sites have relied on CloudFlare to stay online. Without that protection their competitors would DDoS their websites offline most of the time. Also, most reputable hosting and CDN services don't allow booters because they're both highly illegal and disruptive to the entire internet. CloudFlare, on the other hand, openly permits them.

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Post by StreamBright »

mwcampbell wrote: post #142
bsenftner wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran a small web service in the video game industry for several years, and CloudFlare was essential to our survival, as the DDoS attacks would repeat every few weeks, and at times last 6 to 12 hours at a time. CloudFlare simply ate that up, and our customers were not impacted. Today, at a different company, different industry, we use CloudFlare for similar needs, but within physical area security networks. It's esse…

Don't lots of smaller hosting providers have DDoS protection? Did you try one of those and find it wasn't good enough?

>> Don't lots of smaller hosting providers have DDoS protection?

It is pointless if you have a small pipe. Pipe jamming attacks are way too common and small vendors are almost always unable to cope with that.

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Post by nicoburns »

chc wrote: post #300
danShumway wrote: post #240

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> but hope there will always be more independent web because we exist than there would be if we didn’t. I'm wary about joining in on Cloudflare bashing. I like Cloudflare. But... The mark of a responsible company is that it has plans to mitigate potential harm once it stops being responsible. At one point growing up, I would have made the same arguments you make here about Google. They're not perfect, but they're bet…

Concretely, what are you suggesting Cloudflare is doing wrong here? What responsible things should they be doing that they aren't? The "we try very hard not to be bad" form of mitigation is scary when the company is doing dangerous things without adequate safeguards, but I don't see how you figure Cloudflare is doing that here. Ultimately, when you've done everything you can not to put people at risk and the only rem…

If they really want to mitigate risk, then they should open up their tech, and promote competition. Not in their interests, but decentralising is the only way to safeguard against potential later abuses of power.

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Post by StreamBright »

danShumway wrote: post #240
eastdakota wrote: post #41

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Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

> but hope there will always be more independent web because we exist than there would be if we didn’t. I'm wary about joining in on Cloudflare bashing. I like Cloudflare. But... The mark of a responsible company is that it has plans to mitigate potential harm once it stops being responsible. At one point growing up, I would have made the same arguments you make here about Google. They're not perfect, but they're bet…

There is a fundamental difference between Google and Cloudflare. Cloudflare has a real business that is based on paying customers. Google never had that. It was founded in 1998 and AdWords was introduced in 2000. Cloudflare is already 10 years old and not showing any sign that it will change its business model. As far as I am concerned, they are a trusted vendor and I will trust them with my business unless they change up.

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Post by fludlight »

bsenftner wrote: post #124
mwcampbell wrote: post #76

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Thank you for taking time to share your perspective. However, I remain skeptical. It's true that a website using Cloudflare is more independent than a Facebook page, in that in the former case, the company can take their domain to another provider. But my idea of an independent Web is a large number of websites depending on a large number of high-quality hosting providers. The latter number will inevitably be smaller…

I ran a small web service in the video game industry for several years, and CloudFlare was essential to our survival, as the DDoS attacks would repeat every few weeks, and at times last 6 to 12 hours at a time. CloudFlare simply ate that up, and our customers were not impacted. Today, at a different company, different industry, we use CloudFlare for similar needs, but within physical area security networks. It's esse…

Why are a disproportionate amount of DDoS attacks launched against video games? Serious question.

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Post by commoner »

afiori wrote: post #120
zzzcpan wrote: post #54

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Trust with what? Warp is specifically designed to reveal your IP address. This is as anti-privacy VPN as a VPN can be. Which is absolutely not surprising coming from a US corporation.

> Warp is specifically designed to reveal your IP address Your entire IP address or a mask to an approximate location?

Your entire IP address.

> WARP is not designed to allow you to access geo-restricted content when you’re traveling. It will not hide your IP address from the websites you visit.

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Post by skrowl »

linkregister wrote: post #318
aftbit wrote: post #299

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How do you protect yourselves from becoming part of the USA's internet surveillance network? You're exposed to National Security Letters and you lost the case with the Ninth. https://blog.cloudflare.com/ninth-circuit-rules-on-nsl-gag-o...

Ironically, the U.S. is the safest place from the USA's surveillance network, when no warrant whatsoever is required to collect information by hacking into a foreign entity.

If you think intelligence communities for other nations aren't doing the exact same thing in the USA, you're kidding yourself.
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