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Post by shkkmo »

bsenftner wrote: post #124
mwcampbell wrote: post #76

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Thank you for taking time to share your perspective. However, I remain skeptical. It's true that a website using Cloudflare is more independent than a Facebook page, in that in the former case, the company can take their domain to another provider. But my idea of an independent Web is a large number of websites depending on a large number of high-quality hosting providers. The latter number will inevitably be smaller…

I ran a small web service in the video game industry for several years, and CloudFlare was essential to our survival, as the DDoS attacks would repeat every few weeks, and at times last 6 to 12 hours at a time. CloudFlare simply ate that up, and our customers were not impacted. Today, at a different company, different industry, we use CloudFlare for similar needs, but within physical area security networks. It's esse…

I would not be surprised to find out that companies that have significant exposure to video game users have much higher DDOS risks.

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Post by SXX »

Volundr wrote: post #212
gzer0 wrote: post #186

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No, can you link me to some of these "smaller hosting providers [that] have DDoS protection"? In fact, I can't find any matching that description.

Hetzner does. I guess it depends how much smaller is "smaller". DDoS protection I think is one of those things that demands a certain size.

Hetzner is 20 years old company with ~300 employees and ~230,000 servers. Of course on scale of AWS, Google and others it's fairly small, but CloudFlare is not all that much larger.

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Post by [deleted] »

rrss wrote: post #82
mwcampbell wrote: post #51

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I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.

My sense was that Comcast is far bigger than cloudflare, and from my googling that appears to be the case. Xfinity: $52 B revenue 2017 Comcast holdings (the parent of xfinity, couldn't find numbers for xfinity): 184,000 employees Cloudflare: < $ 0.2 B revenue 2018, several thousand employees (looks like less than 2000)

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Post by you_dumb_twat »

mwcampbell wrote: post #106
derefr wrote: post #95

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> The latter number will inevitably be smaller, but shouldn't be single-digit. The space Cloudflare is in could afford plenty of players, I think—more than a single-digit amount. There’s nothing about Cloudflare’s business strategy that implies/necessitates that they’d become a monopoly in a market equilibrium state. The only reason you don’t see a pack of Cloudflare clone-companies, AFAIK, is that the talent require…

> the talent required to clone Cloudflare is rare Talent is everywhere, but a lot of people who have it don't want to move to a big city. So IMO, the next Cloudflare's developers should be as widely dispersed as its POPs. Edit: The more recently added part of your comment is very insightful, and I hadn't thought about it that way. Still, I think we could go a lot further with old-school hosting providers if we traded…

Nim is garbage collected you absolute moron.

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Post by skygazer »

pedrocx486 wrote: post #270
zackbloom wrote: post #19

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Great eye! We haven't figured out how to expose them yet for sites not using Cloudflare. We do have some experience solving this problem for Spectrum [1] we're hoping to lean on. The most important thing to us is users don't expect us to keep their IP private, as that is not the intent of WARP. 1- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mmproxy-creative-way-of-preservi...

>The most important thing to us is users don't expect us to keep their IP private I would dare to say you're wrong. It's one big reason I wouldn't/won't use Warp.

I think that you're in agreement; he seems to have meant that it was important that Cloudflare clarify to users that their IPs will not be masked.

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Post by sanxiyn »

steveklabnik wrote: post #173
littlestymaar wrote: post #165

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Isn't Firefox using at least some Rust on the Android version?

I forget the status of that, you may be right! That'd be a large deploy too. The intention was to do that, for sure, I'm just not sure if it shipped or not.

Stylo (Rust rewrite of CSS engine) shipped for Android in Firefox 60, released in 2018. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Rel...

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Post by davidhowlett »

you_dumb_twat wrote: post #284
mwcampbell wrote: post #106

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> the talent required to clone Cloudflare is rare Talent is everywhere, but a lot of people who have it don't want to move to a big city. So IMO, the next Cloudflare's developers should be as widely dispersed as its POPs. Edit: The more recently added part of your comment is very insightful, and I hadn't thought about it that way. Still, I think we could go a lot further with old-school hosting providers if we traded…

Nim is garbage collected you absolute moron.

Correcting people is good but please be polite when doing so.

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Post by GauntletWizard »

I did a ctrl+f for "Onavo" and got nothing, so I'm going to say it loudly and publicly: There's no such thing as a free (lunch) VPN. Sure, Cloudflare has a premium product available, but the availability of a free version (not a free trial) means that, most likely, you're not the customer - You're the product. Your data, your browsing history, encrypted though they may be, are valauable to Cloudflare.

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Post by laughinghan »

chousuke wrote: post #198
IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #181

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A site where mass murders are encouraged to post their killing spree videos? Where hate groups and anonymous cowards promote hate, violence and other ideas? Spare us your "" defense of the indefensible.

For such cases, we should have the necessary legal tools to deal with them if the material is truly dangerous enough to be consequential. It is not the job of a corporation to decide, though I suppose they are not under any obligation to provide service, either. I am generally against censorship, because for every case that is "obvious", there are many more that merely seem so on the surface. This is especially impor…

You and I have completely inverted ideas of what censorship is and why it is bad.

Using legal tools would be horrific. Government censors deciding what material is too dangerous for the public is exactly one of the elements of fascism.

Private entities on the open market exercising their right to not help promote ideas they object to is a good thing. It means that the more objectionable an idea is, the harder it is to publish and the smaller its reach; and the more in the gray area an idea it is, the easier it is disseminate and the wider its reach. If one of those private entities makes a mistake in judgment, that's an opportunity for a competitor.

Governments have a monopoly on violence. Its power is not kept in check by competitors, but by systems like a bill of rights. Weakening those rights to allow legal tools to control ideas would be disastrous.

Corporations have no responsibility or ability to educate everyone about misinformation. They do have a responsibility not to enable bad people to do bad things, including not promoting ideas they know are dangerous.

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