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Re HK, how could something like this even be used? I would have thought ISP traffic would ensure this is being blacklisted.

Blacklisting it would require them blacklisting all of cloudflare.

> Blacklisting it would require them blacklisting all of cloudflare.

China Government: "Here, hold my beer..."

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Exciting! We're a tiny company and have sponsored WireGuard two years in a row; you can see us on the WireGuard home page. Cloudflare is a gigantic company who just used the WireGuard design work to fork the project. Has Cloudflare given a cent to WireGuard? Why isn't their logo on the site?

use wireguard instead if you want to be safer... not exciting at all unless you are invested in cloudflare

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Would anyone kindly elucidate on the difference between Warp vs VPN?

I recently purchased Adblock by Futuremind from AppStore, since I got really worried about my privacy. It has some features like local proxy DNS and setting up new rules. I keep my VPN on all day.

Before that, I used to use Hotspot Shield since that was free. I used to get only one server viz. USA.

I see internet speaks highly of NordVPN but that’s a whopping $85 which kinda burns a hole in my pocket. They claim that PWC has done an audit on them and confirmed that they don’t save users data.

Would someone here kindly guide me on the most reliable VPN out there, for iOS?

Thanks in advance for sorting me out :)

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Exciting! We're a tiny company and have sponsored WireGuard two years in a row; you can see us on the WireGuard home page. Cloudflare is a gigantic company who just used the WireGuard design work to fork the project. Has Cloudflare given a cent to WireGuard? Why isn't their logo on the site?

And why should they? WireGuard is free† so it seems (to me) a bit futile trying to shame them on a niche site like HN and expect them to change their behavior and support the community that they draw from. Mind you, this problem is not limited to Wireguard/Cloudflare. The NTP servers, curl, libssl prior to Heartbleed, the list of important open source software in need of funding goes on. It's fighting also a basic re…

I don't know. That's certainly a way of looking at the world. To answer that question, I'd have to give you a deep reason why companies like ours and Trail of Bits and the VPN providers donated. I can't tell you any more than "it seemed like the right thing to do".

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Great eye! We haven't figured out how to expose them yet for sites not using Cloudflare. We do have some experience solving this problem for Spectrum [1] we're hoping to lean on. The most important thing to us is users don't expect us to keep their IP private, as that is not the intent of WARP. 1- https://blog.cloudflare.com/mmproxy-creative-way-of-preservi...

Are you going out of your way to forward the original IP to the end recipient? What's the point of that? Is it to support IP authenticated logins or similar?

Not step on the toes of Netflix, Amazon Prime and other services that rely on geo location for enforcing licensing of content / geo-location based artificial scarcity of digital goods?

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Great that it's finally launched. I've been on the waitlist for months. That said, I'm very ambivalent about Cloudflare. On the one hand, I love them because they're doing a lot of cool stuff (shoutout to kentonv whose sandstorm project I loved, who works there now), and even own a bit of their stock. On the other hand, them being an infrastructure company but also wading into what travels over their pipes makes me u…

They didn't block requests to 8chan, they simply won't provide services to the site. If you're using cloudflare for DNS lookups, 8chan resolves just like any other non-cloudflare customer.

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> WARP, instead, is built for the average consumer. It’s built to ensure that your data is secured while it’s in transit. So the networks between you and the applications you’re using can’t spy on you. It will help protect you from people sniffing your data while you’re at a local coffee shop. It will also help ensure that your ISP isn’t hoovering up data on your browsing patterns to sell to advertisers. Most of thos…

I'm not sure why I'd trust cloudflare (a company who's business it is to know all about traffic flows and usage patterns) more than a traditional back bone provider?

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It looks decent for hiding your traffic from your ISP

Thanks, this should have been obvious in hindsight. One more for people with cell phone plans that don't adhere to net neutrality: Warp can probably bypass quality caps on video streaming. Traditional VPNs are strictly better than Warp+, as far as I can see, but the free version of Warp is a generous offering for users who would otherwise not be using a VPN.

Warp excludes many sites from traffic routing (like video)

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#229

Great that it's finally launched. I've been on the waitlist for months. That said, I'm very ambivalent about Cloudflare. On the one hand, I love them because they're doing a lot of cool stuff (shoutout to kentonv whose sandstorm project I loved, who works there now), and even own a bit of their stock. On the other hand, them being an infrastructure company but also wading into what travels over their pipes makes me u…

They didn't block requests to 8chan, they simply won't provide services to the site. If you're using cloudflare for DNS lookups, 8chan resolves just like any other non-cloudflare customer.

…until someone gets the media going about it, at which point they block it. And that time, they will have a precedent.

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#230

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I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.

I'm consistently amazed at how many people [on HN...] over-estimate the size/scale of Cloudflare. Comcast is a huge, multi-billion $ operation with global contracts and broadcasting capabilities, and > 184,000 employees globally (that's more than Google, and even MSFT). That's not to say that we shouldn't be wary of Cloudflare for many other reasons; but that they have more influence over the Internet than one of the…

According to [0] between 5 and 10% of all websites use Cloudflare. Even using the lower number, I'm pretty sure that neither 5% of websites are hosted by Comcast nor that they serve 5% of internet users. This gives Cloudflare already a much larger potential to monitor/censor than Comcast has. I am not saying that they actively do so, just pointing out that they do have the scale and market share to do so. What is more, in contrast to said Comcast, they also have the ability to access unencrypted traffic for those 5-10% percent.

[0] https://www.wired.com/story/cloudflare-spectrum-iot-protecti....

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