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Re: WARP is here

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Post by mwcampbell »

cj wrote: post #45
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…

I can believe that Cloudflare's current leadership are currently more conscientious than, say, Comcast's. But, especially post-IPO, what is that actually worth? I think that, worldwide, it's likely that Cloudflare is already bigger than Comcast. So, unless I'm given evidence to the contrary, I think Comcast is the lesser evil.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by privateSFacct »

mwcampbell wrote: post #40
aasdasdasdasd wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I look at friends and family, they use their phones for everything because Computer UX failed. And they will switch to whatever public WiFi is available because their expensive yet small mobile data plan. I can see how some people would benefit from this kind of VPN.

Another commenter on this thread said that there are already VPN services with Wireguard support and easy-to-use apps. Why not recommend those to friends and family?

The history of most of these is terrible. Many actively log / aggregate and in some cases sell your data - are based in non-US jurisdictions so no recourse. There is going to be a reason cloudflare does better - they are more trusted.

Re: WARP is here

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Post by slig »

mwcampbell wrote: post #40
aasdasdasdasd wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I look at friends and family, they use their phones for everything because Computer UX failed. And they will switch to whatever public WiFi is available because their expensive yet small mobile data plan. I can see how some people would benefit from this kind of VPN.

Another commenter on this thread said that there are already VPN services with Wireguard support and easy-to-use apps. Why not recommend those to friends and family?

Those are paid and this one is free?

Re: WARP is here

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Post by zzzcpan »

tmikaeld wrote: post #27
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

Can't the same be said about any of the huge hosting companies such as OVH, Hetzner, 1&1, AWS, etc. And any VPN provider that hosts their servers and routes their traffic through unknown datacenters? I'd rather trust Cloudflare that has a great track-record (+Public Canary and are on US Privacy Shield), than any random VPN provider.

Trust with what? Warp is specifically designed to reveal your IP address. This is as anti-privacy VPN as a VPN can be. Which is absolutely not surprising coming from a US corporation.

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Post by abtinf »

Can someone explain the difference between warp and warp+? I’ve read the blog and the App Store description, both of which completely fail to identify the difference.

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Post by rogerkirkness »

eastdakota wrote: post #41
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

Early on in Cloudflare’s history when we were asked who our competition was we said Facebook. The concern was that the challenges of being online would get so hard that individual websites would give up and just move to run Facebook pages. We saw our role as providing the security and performance needed to compete without making you give in to use an all-consuming platform. We haven’t said that in a long time, but I…

Totally agree with that analogy having worked @ Shopify. We shall see which is more durable long term.

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Post by bassman9000 »

cj wrote: post #45
mwcampbell wrote: post #17

I was openly critical of Cloudflare when they announced Warp the first time. My accusations were over-reaching, and I ultimately retracted them. But I'm still skeptical, and I still won't use Warp. Here's what still bothers me: Cloudflare is a single company with points of presence all over the world, handling traffic for websites all over the world (including some big ones), and now trying to attract consumers world…

I agree using Cloudflare proxy (or really any VPN) gives the company a lot of power. But the idea of Cloudflare intercepting all of my traffic doesn't bother me since the alternative is simply another company (Spectrum, or my random friend's wifi, or Starbucks) intercepting all of my traffic by virtue of being my ISP. It's up to you which is the lesser of two evils. I suppose Cloudflare may have more insight into the…

Is your legal relationship with Cloudfare the same as with your ISP? Is Cloudfare liable for the same things as the ISP? Genuinely asking, I have no clue, just a vague sense that it's not apples to apples.

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Post by sigjuice »

ianmurrays wrote: post #43
ksec wrote: post #23

Just wanted to say Thank You. I could only wish this was released a little sooner, but better late than Never. The Hong Kong people desperately need something like this to avoid ISP monitoring. I wonder if something similar is planned for Windows and Mac? P.S Regarding the 10GB, have been on the waiting list since April 1st, nothing shown up yet.

I don't see it either, perhaps a slow rollout?

I’m still #700K on the Warp waitlist

Edit: And the wait is over!! WARP is now available!

Re: WARP is here

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Post by Spooky23 »

jstewartmobile wrote: post #21

So, pay money to the unaccountable de facto internet police in the age of "HTTPS everywhere" for a VPN that " will not hide your IP address from the websites you visit "? It's not April Fools... Is this SV's version of " pull my finger "?

Sometimes you need to make pragmatic choices.

There are scenarios where you may be more concerned about the folks running (or not running) the local network that you are operating on than the larger surveillance operation.

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Post by [deleted] »

aasdasdasdasd wrote: post #18
eis wrote: post #11

The article mentions that WARP is exposing the end user's IP to websites they visit. I'd be interested in how they do that, especially with HTTPS websites where they can't MITM and inject headers. > WARP is not designed to allow you to access geo-restricted content when you’re traveling. It will not hide your IP address from the websites you visit.

The requests come from a CloudFlare address range -- my original IP isn't visible to the server. Not sure what they mean either.

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