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U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory: Marijuana Use and the Developing Brain

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> Why would legalizing it make it harder for minors to get ahold of it? Legalizing increases the marginal legal risk (and thus expected cost) of selling to minors (still illegal) vs. selling to everyone else. The same is true of non-sale person-to-person distribution.

Ok, so you are saying given X minor marijuana user, it would be harder for X to obtain marijuana post legalization vs. pre legalization. That I agree with because X's dealer is willing to break the law to sell to minors while convenience store employees are less likely to. However, the point is moot because legalizing marijuana increases it's overall availability, image, and appeal and thus you'll have more minors us…

They have Cannabis concentrate sold in single use 'pods' that attatch to any vape battery with a 510 connector.

I don't think legalization had as large of an effect on the perception and availability of cannabis as you say, part of the reason Colorado was one of the first to legalize is likely due to our already 'positive' image of it. Colorado and other states that legalized all already had medical programs that were commonly abused; either by little restrictions on access (Red cards) or allowing more growing & cultivation than the actual medical population could theoretically consume.

Being from Colorado, I have to say, anecdotally, that usage is up in young adults 18+ is up since it's never been more available and 'tolerated' at Colorado Universities. Dorms are pretty strict if they can smell it but concentrates are much eaiser to conceal and cheaper than edibles & flower. I can comment personally on its effect on minors (<18) but some reports did show it declined in that specific population following legalization (I don'r recall if they reported on the 18-21 population).

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It’s not even anecdotal. The relative risk for developing schizophrenia for cannabis smokers vs non cannabis smokers is 2.3. This means that you are 2.3 times more likely to develop schizophrenia if you smoke cannabis. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4988731/ With that said, I think it should be legal. I just think people shouldn’t downplay the risks.

> This means that you are 2.3 times more likely to develop schizophrenia if you smoke cannabis. Unless unless causation goes wholly or partially the opposite way (more likely to smoke cannabis if you are already predisposed to schizophrenia).

Or you smoke it because it ameliorates your symptoms.

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I smoked weed heavily from my ~16 to ~18. And I stopped because it was so overwhelming experience that I could not stand any more. I couldn't function normally and had really tough trips, thinking about so many end results in the same time. Minutes took hours and basically it was an agony, while everybody had pretty joyful time laughing. Now, I'm 38. I'm functional (so far), I have family with kids. I haven't develop…

>I couldn't function normally and had really tough trips, thinking about so many end results in the same time. Minutes took hours and basically it was an agony, while everybody had pretty joyful time laughing. Curiosity : Why did you continue for two years with such poor experiences?

He was probably already addicted.

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I smoked weed heavily from my ~16 to ~18. And I stopped because it was so overwhelming experience that I could not stand any more. I couldn't function normally and had really tough trips, thinking about so many end results in the same time. Minutes took hours and basically it was an agony, while everybody had pretty joyful time laughing. Now, I'm 38. I'm functional (so far), I have family with kids. I haven't develop…

Being in the bay area, I have witnessed what you expressed happen to many engineers since the legalization. They burn out quickly as well. They swear it's not weed since everyone else tells them that's all tinfoil hat stuff. It's very unfortunate.

That's profoundly sad. But I don't blame the drug, people need to figure out boundaries.

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Are the engineers you are referring to in developing brain stages? You are replying to OP who said from 16-18.. that is still fairly prime development.. your bay area engineers are probably mid 20's? That is quite different when we are talking about brain development.

I believe the aforementioned engineers are simply experiencing the effects of marijuana: both acute intoxication and symptoms associated with regular use. If they're healthy adults in mid 20s, then these symptoms should go away within 1-2 weeks of discontinuing use - problem is they don't view their symptoms as associated with routine use. That said, seeking to be routinely intoxicated could itself a symptom of somet…

Exactly, you can smoke a joint and go hike/ride a bike or you can sit your ass on the couch and be toking up bowl after bowl!

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I have a very close friends who has been smoking cannabis daily since he was 15 years old. We are both in our 40s now. I have the feeling he is quite fast thinking and that he has better memory than me. That being said, he isn't a happy person, his whole life revolves around cannabis and it seems he missed so many things in his life because of that. It's pretty sad actually. He's aware of it, but it's such a central…

It's a subculture. Being a pothead is culturally very similar to being a gun nut. If you take a restricted or poorly understood item that provides enjoyment but is a bit taboo, and give people space to modify/grow/experiment/etc with it, it's spawns a subculture and people associate their identity with it.

It happens with hackers too, and porn, and weird nicotine vape culture, and I'm sure many other things.

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> Edible marijuana takes time to absorb and to produce its effects, increasing the risk of unintentional overdose No citation for this. Do they mean a larger than intended dose or a dose that results in a serious toxic reaction or death? Better source: Median lethal THC dose for a 70kg human estimated to be 4g [0], which is slightly over 1300 full joints (at 3mg per joint) [0]. I won't link them here, but a cursory w…

It's too easy to get uncomfortably high from edibles despite the warnings in my opinion. Call it unintentional overdose or not it can still cause real problems however you label it. I cooked some edibles when I was a naive user and misunderstood the light effects of the THC absorbed in the mouth when eating the edible as being the real high. Waited 20 minutes, ate another, and drove home. Luckily for me, I was only d…

Everyone knows (or should know) to be careful with edibles. I smoke a lot but they still scare me and I avoid them.

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I smoke heavily for 10 years and if I could say something about the cognitive changes, it was for better. I learnt two foreign languages, more programming languages that I can count with one hand and got out of depression by means of self-awareness and meditation after a joint. Weed+Youtube surely is harmful, but so it is only Youtube (with less fun).

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> Demanding that people give the federal disclaimer every time they discuss the matter is tedious and pointless (since of course you already know it...) It seems to me that saying "pot is legal in MA" is precisely as incorrect as saying "pot is illegal in MA". They're both half-truths. I believe there's rhetorical and political power, however, in repeating an untruth without anybody challenging it. HN is intended to…

Does your distinction matter? If the state of Delaware declares driving a red cars illegal everywhere on the planet, would you jump to correct people saying driving red cars is legal in Germany and let them know it isn't? Most people would not do so because there is no feasible way of Delaware enforcing their opinions in Germany. If you're not willing to take your viewpoint to the extreme then you're making an implic…

The US federal government has many ways of enforcing their opinions on US states and does so regularly. Almost all banks will not open accounts for pot related businesses due to federal banking laws. In the past the federal government convinced the states that did not have a drinking age of 21 to up the age by withholding federal highway funds from those states until they did.

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You can also nuke points off your IQ by drinking acetone or inhaling the fumes. I'm all for solvents to continue being legally offered for sale in hardware or paint stores, as they have for a hundred umpteen years, but we need funding for longer term studies ...

Weed, in its consumption form, (i.e. not hemp) doesn't have practical uses except maybe covering odors. Acetone does. That said, hardware stores should be able to sell weed right beside the hand grenades and hard drugs should be available over the counter at any pharmacy that feels like stocking them.

Hemp is a traditional crop with practical uses, and can be used for getting high.

Organic solvents have practical uses, and can be inhaled from a rag to get high.

I don't see the difference, other than some fucking politics.

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