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U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory: Marijuana Use and the Developing Brain

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Re: U.S. Surgeon General’s Advisory: Marijuana Use and the Developing Brain

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Post by bigfudge »

dragonwriter wrote: post #66
Pimpus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marijuana is well known for causing psychosis, paranoia, panic, and other disturbed mental states. There's a reason they tell you not to eat the whole brownie - once the bad trip comes on, you're stuck with it and just have to ride it out. It can be quite harrowing. I also don't think marijuana is at all safe to take regularly, just looking at people who do so. It seems to incur actual neurological changes - you even…

> I also don't think marijuana is at all safe to take regularly, just looking at people who do so I suspect lots of people around you do so without you knowing it; as it remains a federal crime and not protected from employment and other discrimination, many people are discreet about it and the non-discreet are not a representative subset of the using population.

It's worth noting that this is even more true of 'hard' drugs than cannabis. There are a surprising number of fine upstanding citizens with a heroin addiction...

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Post by root_axis »

habosa wrote: post #98

Reading the comments here is a bit disappointing. There are a lot of legalization advocates seeming to take the position that because weed is mostly fine for most people it's always fine for everyone. It's not. Anyone here who has a friend who smoked too much when they were young (and we all have that friend) knows that weed, like so many things in life, can be dangerous when you use it too much or when you shouldn't…

Can you point to an example of someone arguing "weed is fine for everyone" in this thread?

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Post by jimbokun »

telaelit wrote: post #150

When I was 16 I started smoking weed almost everyday until I was 20, I took a break until I was 22, and now I live in a legal state and I enjoy a joint or two on the weekends. I haven't had any problems whatsoever. I work as a software engineer and I got all As throughout school. I realize this might not be the case for everyone, but that has been my experience.

So sounds like its Russian Roulette, some adolescents may not suffer many ill effects, and for others it will be really bad.

So probably better not to take that chance.

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Post by thermonot »

numakerg wrote: post #5

> Edible marijuana takes time to absorb and to produce its effects, increasing the risk of unintentional overdose No citation for this. Do they mean a larger than intended dose or a dose that results in a serious toxic reaction or death? Better source: Median lethal THC dose for a 70kg human estimated to be 4g [0], which is slightly over 1300 full joints (at 3mg per joint) [0]. I won't link them here, but a cursory w…

> The new study analyzed thousands of cannabis-triggered emergency room visits in the greater Denver area, and found that edibles induced a disproportionate number of pot-related medical crises. Edibles were also more likely than inhaled pot to cause severe intoxication, acute psychiatric symptoms in people with no history of psychiatric illness and cardiovascular problems.

> He also noted that the only deaths in Colorado that have been definitively attributed to cannabis involved edibles, and those deaths were surprisingly violent. In all three incidents, including a murder and a suicide in 2014 and another suicide in 2015, the pot users exhibited extremely erratic behavior after consuming edibles, according to news reports and trial testimony.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/well/eat/marijuana-edible...

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Post by serf »

nenadg wrote: post #45

I smoked weed heavily from my ~16 to ~18. And I stopped because it was so overwhelming experience that I could not stand any more. I couldn't function normally and had really tough trips, thinking about so many end results in the same time. Minutes took hours and basically it was an agony, while everybody had pretty joyful time laughing. Now, I'm 38. I'm functional (so far), I have family with kids. I haven't develop…

>I couldn't function normally and had really tough trips, thinking about so many end results in the same time. Minutes took hours and basically it was an agony, while everybody had pretty joyful time laughing.

Curiosity : Why did you continue for two years with such poor experiences?

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Post by bigfudge »

SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #39
djsumdog wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a listed Median Lethal Dose (LD50) for THC or CBD? It is possible to overdose on nicotine if it's ingested (50mg ~60mg for a 150lbs adult, according to the CDC's website), but I'm not sure if there is such an amount defined for THC ingestion.

It's a comically large amount of THC to reach the LD50. 192mg/kg.

How do they calculate the LD50 given there are basically no THC caused deaths?

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Post by bigfudge »

umvi wrote: post #102
stevev wrote: post #97

I’m curious, has there been any related deaths to cannabis usage? Why is this plant illegal when Alcohol has killed millions?

Alcohol is legal because it's impossible to ban it seeing as you can make it from anything that has sugar in it, which is basically all foods. If cannibis were used as much as alcohol in driving settings, I'm certain there would be thousands of annual DUI deaths.

The evidence from simulators suggest people are impaired, but also more cuatious, so risk of incident stays flat.

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Post by liability »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #123
djsumdog wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In ever US state where it is legal (Washington, Oregon, California, Colorado, Alaska, Mass., and 2020 Illinois and Michigan) I think the minimum age is 21. Sure people underage can get it, but there is an attempt being made to limit it to people at least 21. I knew parents who let their teenagers know they used it, but also told them they didn't want their kids using it until they were at least 18 (but if they wanted…

> In ever US state where it is legal I'm assuming you know that marijuana remains illegal due to (a) federal law and (b) the Constitution's Supremacy Clause. I mean this with complete sincerity and genuine curiosity: Why did you choose wording that suggests the activity is wholly legal in those states?

Demanding that people give the federal disclaimer every time they discuss the matter is tedious and pointless (since of course you already know it...)

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Post by jimbokun »

cloverich wrote: post #147
romansul wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the federal government wants to get into a serious fight over state’s rights, weed is effectively/wholly legal in states like California (I don’t know the specific laws outside of CA) If you’d like to argue that the federal government - through the supremacy clause - has the power to override States that legalize marijuana, perhaps you’re right in theory. But I think it’s a fantasy that the federal government…

It is a kind of ironic situation. Modern states rights arguments tend to reside on the right, but that is also where anti-drug legalization sentiment resides as well. I'd be very interested to hear a debate where a right winger insists the fed should step in, and a left winger replies "Personally I support states rights". Just to see where it all goes.

Whenever power in Washington changes from one party to the other, the other party rediscovers the importance of states' rights.

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Post by cma »

yhoneycomb wrote: post #101
high_derivative wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It totally weirds me out how defensive people are about your anecdote here. Talking to any clinical psychotherapist dealing with young adults, you will hear lots of stories about weed-induced psychosis and anxiety. What I wonder is why it matters to people that it's not as safe as they may believe? Cognitive dissonance? We do lots of unsafe things.

It’s not even anecdotal. The relative risk for developing schizophrenia for cannabis smokers vs non cannabis smokers is 2.3. This means that you are 2.3 times more likely to develop schizophrenia if you smoke cannabis. Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4988731/ With that said, I think it should be legal. I just think people shouldn’t downplay the risks.

> This means that you are 2.3 times more likely to develop schizophrenia if you smoke cannabis.

Unless unless causation goes wholly or partially the opposite way (more likely to smoke cannabis if you are already predisposed to schizophrenia).

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