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Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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> A man named Ferrari might not be a blacksmith. It was right in front of me and I feel dumb, having never considered it might have the same latin root as the word ferrous. https://www.thoughtco.com/ferrari-last-name-meaning-and-orig...

I feel dumb too. Although on reading it my brain made the link with Farrier, who specifically makes horse shoes.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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I worked in insurance for over five years. One of the more common reasons we had to send out HIPAA notification letters was due to relatives in the same city with similar or identical names getting claims processed under the wrong policy. These were very often two male relatives -- father and son, twin brothers, cousins. They sometimes even lived on the same street. There's also this story about two women with the sa…

Here in Italy we are given a Codice Fiscale at birth, which is a string of 13 characters derived by 3 letters of the last name, 3 letters of the first name (usually these 6 letters are all consonants, but there are exceptions for names like Anna), 2 digits, a letter and two other digits representing the birth day, one letter and the digits representing the birthplace an one last letter which is a checksum. These are…

Same in Spain and Sweden when it comes to fiscal Id. Really useful.

But the number is not enough to buy anything or open a bank account. For that you need the physical id card that is as hard as forge as passports.

A very good system to make contracts, paying taxes, school registration, etc easy without allowing false impersonation.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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I wonder what the expression "one whose name must not be spoken" really is about. Why are there such things or people, or are there? Recently I've noticed a name which must not be pronounced in vain is "Alexa". If you talk about her she always interrupts with a lengthy diatribe. It has lead to a situation in my family where we speak like "Why don't you ask "you know who" to play that song for you?"

Afaik a name was/is believed to have the power to summon a supernatural being that it identifies. God and the devil both have a dozen or more euphemisms. (I've also heard about a rather non-Christiany belief of ‘true names’ having command over some beings, but not sure that it's not a modern fantasy invention.)

Dunno about material beings, but hiccups are believed in some places to be caused by someone remembering you.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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I wonder what the expression "one whose name must not be spoken" really is about. Why are there such things or people, or are there? Recently I've noticed a name which must not be pronounced in vain is "Alexa". If you talk about her she always interrupts with a lengthy diatribe. It has lead to a situation in my family where we speak like "Why don't you ask "you know who" to play that song for you?"

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Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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In Italy it’s quite common to go with Galileo Galilei, I would say we use name surname most of the time when we mention him. Maybe it has to do also with how it rolls out of the tongue nicely for us.

In German I think we also use Galilei more then Galileo.

For a German native speaker I feel Galileo Galilei is a tongue breaker. I envy you Italians...

The US English dictionary in Firefox knows about Galileo but doesn't recognize Galilei. When I switch to German it is the opposite: Galilei recognized but Gelileo unknown. This kind of supports your point.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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This really shouldn't be a problem in the modern age when each person can be assigned a globally (or at least nationally) unique ID number as soon as their birth certificate is produced. It baffles me that the most technologically advanced country in the world still has difficulties figuring out who has the right to vote.

A lot of people in the US just don't like the idea of a central national database that stores information about them. To be sure, this (increasingly) happens at some level anyway. And to a lot of people in, say, Europe this probably seems like a baffling concern. But it's the way it is.

There doesn't even need to be a central database of every citizen. Distributed generation of unique identifiers is a more or less solved problem.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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There was a stand up comedian of Algerian descent explaining that situation when the French administration tries to do the census of their colony. The custom was to use your father's and grandfather's name as a name. Problem is, many people, including brothers would have the most popular name (I think it was Mohammed). Having a Mohammed, son of Mohammed, grandson of Mohammed was common. So the French admninistration…

Atatürk (the founder of the Turkish Republic) made surnames mandatory as a reform to be compatible with Europe (he was very pro-Europe) and this was in 1934. Everyone got to pick their own surnames. Luckily people hesitated to pick Mohammed because the word for last name in Turkish translates to "name of lineage" and that'd be a big claim (also I've heard that it wasn't allowed not to put a target on non-muslims' bac…

This is hilarious! Thanks for sharing.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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In Italy it’s quite common to go with Galileo Galilei, I would say we use name surname most of the time when we mention him. Maybe it has to do also with how it rolls out of the tongue nicely for us.

In German I think we also use Galilei more then Galileo.

In Sweden I have heard Galileo Galilei often enough for it to stick in my mind. Maybe something from middle school text books actually didn't rub off with the years? But Galileo is more common.

Re: Why we don't use Galileo's last name (2009)

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Or having to give your « middle name » in the Anglosphere ! Try explaining you have three to a clerk...

Is it harder than just saying "I have three middle names"? It's not exactly a foreign concept; it is normal for white Americans to have more than one, though not especially common.

Three "middle names" might not be a problem but the lack of a first name would almost certainly lead to troubles. Of course you can always just choose one of your "middle names" as an artificial "first name". Some people might find this disrespectful though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people in the US just don't like the idea of a central national database that stores information about them. To be sure, this (increasingly) happens at some level anyway. And to a lot of people in, say, Europe this probably seems like a baffling concern. But it's the way it is.

There doesn't even need to be a central database of every citizen. Distributed generation of unique identifiers is a more or less solved problem.

How does the distributed generation of unique identifiers help to keep track of who has voting rights?
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