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Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by tasssko »

zild3d wrote: post #188
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0]. It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at display & bezels the "which is more aesthetically pleasing" question is not even close [0] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg

I prefer the notch and no chin. These design decisions are difficult but ultimately the iPhone X was an impressive phone . The S10 is a nice phone too, to me both look good in the photo. Jony Ive has contributed great work to the design of mobile / personal computing products. Today I smile walking into a tech store and ooogling at the surface book, XPS and Lenovo. Peer pressure has improved the design across the board. I’m a 20+ year apple customer and recently my 2 year old mbp went in for some restoration work. First time i’ve had to use Applecare. For a company like Apple outsourcing design seems similar and counter intuitive however from an objective perspective I question design choices. My 2012 MBP has a tidier appearance to my 2017 MBP which requires many dongles and adapters. To me that is a bad design. So it might be that Jony is more responsible for design problems and this is it for Apple.

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Post by haydenchambers »

anbop wrote: post #492

The new headquarters syndrome strikes again. Ive, sidelined, went eyeballs deep into the new headquarters, alongside a decline in physical product quality like the trashcan design miss and keyboard gremlins. Hardware and software teams kept executing but there’s clearly a need for a change in design.

There have been misses (as well as obvious hits) all through his career. No one recalls the completely round puck mouse? It’s wishful to think of it as a recent decline. I hope there’s a return to being really functional. Thicker, longer lasting, quality over shiny OR bright plastic

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Post by UIZealot »

SebastianKra wrote: post #509
UIZealot wrote: post #401

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The biggest ding they could come up with against skeuomorphism is "heavy, clunky"? Skeuomorphic UIs maybe "heavy" and "clunky", but they were also beautiful, whimsical, and fun ! They brought me joy each time I use them. Flat design, in contrast, is soulless and depressing. God I miss the Steve Jobs era! Apple could've been the beacon of light amongst darkness, like it used to be. But his death, and the subsequent be…

If you think Flat design can't be fun, then I encourage you to look at the entire iPad gesture system [1]. I feel like Iron Man when using it. Also, the Apple Books app [2] isn't purely flat, but it shows that flat Design can have just as much character. [1] Multitasking, Drag and Drop, Text Selection, Control Center, Cut Copy Paste Undo. [2] https://www.apple.com/apple-books/

I'll concede that skeuomorphism, at its worst, can be heavy and clunky; while flat design, at its best, can also be fun.

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Post by Fnoord »

anbop wrote: post #493
jws wrote: post #429

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Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

I wish those “ears” were more purpose built, like physical indicator LEDs for microphone and camera access, SSL, etc.

Great idea. There could've been a LED plus hardware kill switch over there.

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Post by ulfw »

sprafa wrote: post #265
mkr-hn wrote: post #142

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Maybe it's my lack of exposure to older iOS devices, but I haven't had any problems with it since getting my first iPhone last year.

They’ve done enormous changes since 7 to improve it. 7 was absurd - buttons looked like simple text everywhere. I always had to toggle on a function where buttons became underlined so I could use the thing. There was huge criticism even in knowledgeable design circles (see Nielsen Norman who do usability studies) that it was really really objectively worst because it was so confusing. It’s a lot better now.

They’re still just text. Open Apple Mail and have a look.

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Post by coldtea »

tapland wrote: post #510
wingerlang wrote: post #449

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This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.

This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?

>This is a very weird way of viewing the issue.

It's very weird to call it an issue as well.

I remember what kind of phones we had until 2007. I've used infuriating devices from Android vendors as well.

The notch is not even a first world problem....

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Post by simonh »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #498
zild3d wrote: post #188

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I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0]. It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at display & bezels the "which is more aesthetically pleasing" question is not even close [0] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg

it's a funny chain of consequences. put a notch, now the bottom border is too thick, so you thin it up with a very expensive manufacturing process. if you had not a notch there, there would have not been a need to move away the chin to maintain visual symmetry. anyway even with most manufacturer producing notch design, I still find no benefit that entices me to move to a notch model for a feature that adds a total of…

A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.

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Post by UIZealot »

munificent wrote: post #183
CountSessine wrote: post #18

I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.

I agree, but he also brought us the 2016 MBP which is possibly the best programmer's laptop ever made.

You mean the 2015 MBP? That's widely regarded as the last good MBP.
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