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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by TheOperator »

anbop wrote: post #492

The new headquarters syndrome strikes again. Ive, sidelined, went eyeballs deep into the new headquarters, alongside a decline in physical product quality like the trashcan design miss and keyboard gremlins. Hardware and software teams kept executing but there’s clearly a need for a change in design.

Apples design has been a big yawner for a few years now. Apple watch and MBPr impressed me. Since then? Seems like the design had actively getting worse since 2015 I.E. MBP with touchbar.

The Mac Pro and Apples new display don't look terrible to me but the cheese grater aesthetics aren't amazing either and it's a bit of a rehash of the Powermac G5. There was also that charger they cancelled.

Maybe apple should consider going back to their playful aesthetic? Aluminum and glass is just so... Yawn

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by alberto_ol »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #308
valine wrote: post #31

With the iPhone X Apple put serious R&D into a display that folds back on itself for the sole reason that a phone is more ascetically pleasing when the boarders are symmetrical. Even after a year and a half every phone except the iPhone has an asymmetrical chin. Will Apple still be able to make decisions like that without Ive in a leadership position? For Apple's sake I really hope so.

aesthetically, i think you meant, as ascetically means something very different.

I thought it was a nice pun

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by TheOperator »

tzs wrote: post #383
asark wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

USB-C is baffling. Suppose you buy into the dream of one cable type for everything. So you buy printers, scanners, optical drives, external hard drives and SSDs, and so on that have USB-C connectors, and you buy USB-C flash drives, and buy USB-C to USB-C cables to hook it all up. But your computer only has two USB-C ports! No problem, you think. You've run into the same problem before with computers with USB-A connec…

It's not baffling to me. Usb-A isn't appropriate for small form factors. USB-C is. Why can't I plug the same things into my phone that I can plug into my computer? I'm already phasing out USB-A simply because I think a device you can only use on your phone with a single is limited. I used to carry around a laptop to do network diagnostics... I've realised you can literally do the same crap from your phone by using USB-C dongles... and the form factor is actually better.

Mind you Apple seems to be missing one of the main practical advantage of USB-C by slapping a lightning port on their phones thus ensuring donglegeddon. This drives me insane. Apple for all the puffery about giving consumers what they don't know they wanted is instead giving consumers an inferior choice that ensures lock-in and keeps vendors happy.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by SebastianKra »

interlocutor wrote: post #152

Apple used to be known for their amazing designs. That was when Steve was running the company. Since his death Apple has been in a free fall in the design space. Most of the comments here seem to be about their awful hardware design. Yes, the thin macbook is not very usable, and the Homepod which is shaped like an amorphous blob is uglier than any Bose speaker. But what about their software? Their UI design is super…

Here's the Outline for the Tumblr article, if you don't want to deal with Oath: https://outline.com/nsv6Nw

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by TheOperator »

karmelapple wrote: post #387
asark wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they really needed a transition design for 3-4 years that included USB-C but still had the "legacy" ports—in quotes because when they announced the C-only model I hadn't even seen a USB-C port or cable in real life yet. USB-A is nowhere near being on the way out yet. Especially when their own damn mobile devices still come with A cables. We're way into their attempt to push everything to USB-C but I went to T…

I’d tend to agree, although look at the success of new connection technologies Apple pioneered when they were coupled with things that already did similar things. FireWire, all speeds: was always coupled with USB or other tech that possibly didn’t carry data as fast as FW, but was “good enough” for lots of things. FireWire never really took off aside from digital video cameras, and that got phased out over time, too.…

I REALLY don't see Apple as leading the charge on USB-C. I see them as a laggard given their refusal to put a USB-C port where it's most useful - on their phones. They also weren't the first to put the ports on their laptops.

Just because they ship a laptop with 4 USB-C TB ports and nothing else doesn't mean they're driving USB-C adoption nearly as much as say Samsung or Huawei. If anything because they literally don't use the same port across different types of devices unlike other phone/laptop sellers... They're discouraging USB-C adoption and making dongles more appealing since you will still need dongles if you're using all Apple even if you have USB-C native stuff.

Apple aren't pushing people towards expensive new standards they're just making consumer unfriendly decisions. Making it so you can't use USB-A does not mean you're making it easy to adopt USB-C... They make adopting USB-C unnessecarily painful.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by mulderc »

TheOperator wrote: post #501
anbop wrote: post #492

The new headquarters syndrome strikes again. Ive, sidelined, went eyeballs deep into the new headquarters, alongside a decline in physical product quality like the trashcan design miss and keyboard gremlins. Hardware and software teams kept executing but there’s clearly a need for a change in design.

Apples design has been a big yawner for a few years now. Apple watch and MBPr impressed me. Since then? Seems like the design had actively getting worse since 2015 I.E. MBP with touchbar. The Mac Pro and Apples new display don't look terrible to me but the cheese grater aesthetics aren't amazing either and it's a bit of a rehash of the Powermac G5. There was also that charger they cancelled. Maybe apple should consid…

I have been looking at some of the past plastic devices and actually really love the design and feel. Wonder if they should try that again.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by petepete »

fortran77 wrote: post #410
dbspin wrote: post #380

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Define 'pro'. My Sony A7iii uses SD cards. My Blackmagic pocket cinema writes to USB-C. If anything C-Fast is a dying medium. SD cards are tremendously cheaper, and at this point likely as fast.

Both Canon and Nikon "pro" cameras take CF cards: http://d810.org/recommended-sd-and-cf-media-cards-for-nikon-... I agree with you that it's pointless to do that in 2019, but that doesn't change the facts.

The D810 came out in 2014, Nikon have since favoured XQD over CF. The D5 was available with both, but the D500 and D850 both take an SD and XQD card - and their new mirrorless line is XQD only.

Of course, the next CF standard, CFexpress, is XQD-shaped and devices will be backward compatible.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by pooya13 »

Apple’s problem is that they are looking at their customer base for directions, while ironically every business course uses Apple’s iPhone as THE example for addressing pains from a first principle, evidence based, customer discovery approach. Which is sad because at some point Apple was very inspiring.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by SebastianKra »

UIZealot wrote: post #401
panopticon wrote: post #227

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That seems pretty hyperbolic, especially considering that Nielsen says flat designs are on the right track. To quote, "Early pseudo-3D GUIs and Steve-Jobs-esque skeuomorphism often produced heavy, clunky interfaces. Scaling back from those excesses is good for usability. But removing visual distinctions to produce fully flat designs with no signifiers can be an equally bad extreme. Flat 2.0 provides an opportunity fo…

The biggest ding they could come up with against skeuomorphism is "heavy, clunky"? Skeuomorphic UIs maybe "heavy" and "clunky", but they were also beautiful, whimsical, and fun ! They brought me joy each time I use them. Flat design, in contrast, is soulless and depressing. God I miss the Steve Jobs era! Apple could've been the beacon of light amongst darkness, like it used to be. But his death, and the subsequent be…

If you think Flat design can't be fun, then I encourage you to look at the entire iPad gesture system [1]. I feel like Iron Man when using it.

Also, the Apple Books app [2] isn't purely flat, but it shows that flat Design can have just as much character.

[1] Multitasking, Drag and Drop, Text Selection, Control Center, Cut Copy Paste Undo. [2] https://www.apple.com/apple-books/

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by tapland »

wingerlang wrote: post #449
jws wrote: post #429

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Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.

This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?
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