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Post by drusepth »

calcifer wrote: post #200
duality wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you buy Inbox? Wasn't it free? Seems like a false equivalence "free skin on top of Gmail" != paid-for service like this one.

"Buying into" isn't only about money. A lot of people put time and effort into Inbox, Reader etc. and they were badly burned when Google decided they weren't making enough millions of dollars.

The biggest difference between Stadia and Inbox, Reader, etc is that people pay for Stadia. That alone seems like comparing apples to oranges.

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Post by AJ007 »

Amygaz wrote: post #240
yegle wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

I can buy the game on Steam and play at my 4K laptop or stream it to my 4k TV. Am I missing something? edit: sorry slowpoke here replying to himself: I get that you are "renting" a gaming hardware for that price, so you don't need to own a gaming computer. So at $120/y it is not bad, if the service is as promised. And then if they shut it down in 3 years then, you spent/lost $360 toward a gaming device. But what happ…

It fits in the niche of people who want to play AAA games, can’t afford a dedicated console and TV, and have a consistently fast internet connection.

Sarcasm aside, in the longer term there is probably a business model here where anyone who wants to play a subscription game like World of Warcraft signs up and gets a $100 tablet sent to them for free.

There also might be a model where very high performance rendering combined with ML does stuff where the consumer would otherwise have to pay thousands of dollars for. Not sure that would work in an AR-VR - competitive gaming future.

I saw a demo of Stadia in person a while ago. It was ok, but hardcore, competitive gamers aren’t going to accept the latency gap.

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Post by djanogo »

ehsankia wrote: post #247
SoupyDolphin wrote: post #109

Discussions around Stadia always fail to mention the alternatives. I've been using GeForce Now with a Nvidia Shield for over a year now and it's been a great experience. The hardware costs are the same as the Stadia ($130), it's free to use while the beta period lasts, and you can play all the games you've already purchased on Steam, BattleNet, Epic etc. in 4k. Why would I buy all the games AGAIN on Stadia when I can…

I enjoy using GeForce now in the private beta for free, but from what I heard their pricing was going to look something like 25$ a month or something ridiculous like that. Compared to that, Stadia is free at 1080p, and 10$ at 4k, that's much cheaper. They also have in my experience better latency, and support more devices (any pc/laptop with a browser, chromecast, phone, etc).

Google's standard business - Give it for free or almost free, push competitors out of business, then use your data for ads.

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Post by ehsankia »

_v7gu wrote: post #8
minimaxir wrote: post #3

$10/mo was pretty much the only way they could price the service; however I didn't expect 4k to be the base resolution for the paid service. (thought it would be $10/1080p, $15/4k; having 1080p for free is interesting). Google needs to be more transparent about device support though. The stream highlighted Chromecast Ultra/Android, but not much else (e.g. if there is an iOS client, or compatibility with a base $35 10…

It's free after you pay for the games though. There needs to be some kind of free plan when you're making people buy (licenses to stream) games.

Sure, but compute isn't free. The fact that you pay for a game once, and you get a dedicated console rendering and streaming the game to you for as long as Stadia exists is not a given. And the game costs just as much as normal retail, so whatever cut they are taking has to account for the cost of computer.

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Post by drusepth »

owaislone wrote: post #176
haolez wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's for aimbots. Streaming would remove a ton of other exploits, like wall hacks. However, for the aimbots, since you are sending your input to Google's servers, they could detect the input patterns of cheaters.

> However, for the aimbots, since you are sending your input to Google's servers, they could detect the input patterns of cheaters. Isn't that exactly what happens today on a console or a PC?

On individual boxes, with games having their own versions of anticheat detection. Not at Google scale looking for patterns across all games.

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Post by ehsankia »

gamblor956 wrote: post #13

And the betting on when this product will be shut down by Google has already begun...right now 3 years is the choice with the most money behind it. Some fools are guessing Google may give this as much as 5 years. Given Google's abysmal history of supporting its software and hardware products, see e.g., the Nest fiasco from a few weeks ago, only a fool or someone with cash to waste would invest in a Google hardware de…

Where are you getting these numbers from? Do you have something to backup your words, or are you just pulling them out of thin air?

Even average the numbers from a site like gCemetery gives you > 5 years, and that number is already biased because it doesn't count the lifespan of products that are still alive.

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Post by drusepth »

bradenb wrote: post #56

I think this is a pretty reasonable price and I fully expect to pre-order, but I'm disappointed that the games must be purchased a la carte. I'd much rather pay a higher monthly fee and be able to play any games I wanted. I'm not sure how much more I'd be willing to pay, but I just think that purchasing titles that I don't own doesn't fit well with the streaming paradigm.

I expect to pre-order the hardware, but I'll probably hold off on a subscription until I see the games and have a compelling reason to pay a monthly fee. I don't really mind the difference between 1080p and 4K, so buying the games standalone seems like a nice fit for me personally, with the subscription sitting as a nice "premium" / improve-what-you-have option.

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Post by Arelius »

notimetorelax wrote: post #223
zeusk wrote: post #211

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Still a no deal for me, if my purchases in Stadia cannot grant me access to the game on other platforms. Who knows when Google decides Stadia isn't worth it anymore?

Isn’t it very similar to Steam?

I think the primary worry is that A. Google has a long history of shutting down products that seems erratic. and B. the economics of this seem precarious, thus pushing on A.

Where Steam has proven to be very profitable and Valve has a longer track record, and this is their primary business.

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Post by ehsankia »

Androider wrote: post #232

Wait what, Baldur's Gate 3? And DOOM Eternal at 4K/60, they must be pretty confident about the latency... OK, I have to admit it's a pretty compelling alternative to upgrading my aging computer. I'll still wait for the reviews / Digital Foundry analysis, but I'm interested.

There's a GDC talk by id Software porting DOOM to Stadia [0]. The speaker says that in the latest demos, the difference is basically not perceptible. They had a setup with two computers, one running Stadia and the other locally, and most people couldn't tell them apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdz4b5psrhE

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