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Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by losvedir »

gamblor956 wrote: post #13

And the betting on when this product will be shut down by Google has already begun...right now 3 years is the choice with the most money behind it. Some fools are guessing Google may give this as much as 5 years. Given Google's abysmal history of supporting its software and hardware products, see e.g., the Nest fiasco from a few weeks ago, only a fool or someone with cash to waste would invest in a Google hardware de…

Yeah, that's a concern I have with paying $60 for a game on there. But I'm pretty interested in the $10/mo with accompanying handful of free games. If they shut down the service in that scenario it doesn't bother me, since I'm getting my money's worth each month.

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Post by Androider »

Wait what, Baldur's Gate 3? And DOOM Eternal at 4K/60, they must be pretty confident about the latency... OK, I have to admit it's a pretty compelling alternative to upgrading my aging computer. I'll still wait for the reviews / Digital Foundry analysis, but I'm interested.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by zeusk »

nathankunicki wrote: post #228
zeusk wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite. I can play steam games offline, I can share them with my friends/family and the most important part being - steam's platform has been reliable with top notch support since 90s while Google hasn't gotten that even in 2019.

You can only play them offline as long as it can check in to Steam every few days. If (once) Steam is turned off, it will no longer be able to do that.

> If (once) Steam is turned off

Big if, and if Steam doesn't provide an alternative method or change their DRM before turning off.

Something unprecedented for Steam over 20+ years, but not so for Google.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by techntoke »

sneakernets wrote: post #201
nightski wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if you are even the least bit technically orientated it's extraordinary easy. There are many incredible resources online with prefab builds and suggestions. It's the easiest time in history to do so. All of my clan friends none of whom are programmers or even in the tech industry all managed to do it fairly easily with help from guides and friends online.

IME, every time I go to buy a new PC (haven't bought a new PC since 2006!) I'm told to "wait" until the next, better buttkicker or core i13 comes out. I end up not buying anything.

LOL... well as soon as Ryzen 3000 series drops on July 7th, then get that, or see if they have some good deals on previous generations at that time. If you need something now, just go with a Ryzen 5.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by king07828 »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #55
king07828 wrote: post #48

Surprised by the lack of an ad supported free version. Seems like applying the lessons they've learned from conquering internet search might be helpful, but apparently not.

I'm not sure I follow. You buy your games like you would with any console. It's just the console is "in the cloud" and you only pay the monthly subscription if you want the higher quality stream and the occasional free game (think PS Plus). How would an ad supported version fit into that model? I thought it was a fantastic model!

Instead of having to buy a game, the user plays the game for free, but has ads as part of the game stream (e.g., a discrete banner ad at the bottom of the screen), which may only appear during load times or in character selection menus (i.e., not during a fight). An important aspect would be that the ads could not interfere with the game itself. This is like how Google sells ads and displays the ads in the search results in a discrete manner.

The publisher/developer would receive a share of the revenue collected from the advertiser.

OR do the 4K stream option with no monthly payment but have ads that don't interfere with the gameplay.

I expect most have the knee-jerk reaction of "ADS?! N0! NEV3R!". But what if you get to play top games for free by ignoring ads that don't interfere with the game? Like how you get free internet search results by ignoring ads.

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Post by ariwilson »

nathankunicki wrote: post #226
yegle wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

Not at launch, this is promised for 2020. Until then you will have to buy the game and pay the subscription fee.

AFAICT, to participate in Stadia at all you have to buy 3 months of a subscription that starts in November. That takes you into 2020.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by [deleted] »

zeusk wrote: post #211
yegle wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

Still a no deal for me, if my purchases in Stadia cannot grant me access to the game on other platforms. Who knows when Google decides Stadia isn't worth it anymore?

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Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by Phrodo_00 »

nathankunicki wrote: post #228
zeusk wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite. I can play steam games offline, I can share them with my friends/family and the most important part being - steam's platform has been reliable with top notch support since 90s while Google hasn't gotten that even in 2019.

You can only play them offline as long as it can check in to Steam every few days. If (once) Steam is turned off, it will no longer be able to do that.

This is only true for games using Steamworks DRM (which, granted, is most modern games). Other games you can just run them from their folder.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by king07828 »

KukicAdnan wrote: post #132
king07828 wrote: post #48

Surprised by the lack of an ad supported free version. Seems like applying the lessons they've learned from conquering internet search might be helpful, but apparently not.

There is a free version that's limited to 1080p/60fps coming in 2020. Games on the Pro subscription aren't free by the way either. Pro subscription just allows 4k/60fps streaming and some limited free games like Xbox Live and Playstation Plus. Most games whether on the Pro subscription or Free will still have to be bought by individuals.

Yes, and they could have launched with a free version supported by ads instead of an up front fee and a monthly fee. Perhaps the free 2020 version will be ad based. An issue with launching an ad based version may be the inability to line up advertisers for an unproven platform. By 2020 they may have the kinks worked out and be able to get some advertisers lined up.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by Amygaz »

yegle wrote: post #190
paxys wrote: post #179

The fact that you have to pay full-price for games AND rely on a cloud service makes this a nonstarter for me. The only way this could work is with a good subscription gaming model like Xbox Game Pass or PS Now. Or you give me a guarantee that I can take my games to another platform once Google inevitably shuts this down.

You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

I can buy the game on Steam and play at my 4K laptop or stream it to my 4k TV. Am I missing something?

edit: sorry slowpoke here replying to himself: I get that you are "renting" a gaming hardware for that price, so you don't need to own a gaming computer. So at $120/y it is not bad, if the service is as promised. And then if they shut it down in 3 years then, you spent/lost $360 toward a gaming device. But what happens to the games you purchased? How about renting the games also, like an additional gaming subscription?

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