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Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by maxander » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 7:00 PM UTC

instantwhat wrote: post #84

maxander wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes perfect sense- in the same way that your reflection in a mirror "demonstrates awareness of your presence." An illusion generated by a sensor glitch or interference is entirely liable to move around when the sensors and interference moves around, and flight computers tracking the glitch would plausibly show it "performing maneuvers" that make no sense for physical objects, such as the ones you describe.

> It makes perfect sense- in the same way that your reflection in a mirror "demonstrates awareness of your presence." The commander in the video did not describe it as being like a reflection. Why don't you watch his 6-minute testimony and then offer an informed opinion? > flight computers tracking the glitch would plausibly show it "performing maneuvers" that make no sense for physical objects, such as the ones you…

I didn't say it was a reflection; that was an analogy. Obviously I don't think a bunch of qualified military personnel would be fooled by something that trivial. I think you're reading opposing viewpoints with an agenda. :)

As for pilots' eyeballs- nothing I've read about this clearly states that anyone got close enough to get direct-eye-contact; most mentions of "visual" confirmation are talking about via cameras (and to me, the footage I've seen of it looks precisely like a camera artifact.) Also I wouldn't discount the possibility of a pilot, squinting to see a small distant object that his expensive flight equipment is insisting is there, simply hallucinating- humans are suggestible, and just as vulnerable to "sensor fusion" errors as prototype military hardware.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by blincoln » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 7:11 PM UTC

instantwhat wrote: post #44

blincoln wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the object demonstrated awareness of their presence That's certainly one interpretation. > with the object demonstrating awareness of his presence by mirroring his maneuvers. Then he flew aggressively at it, and the object responded by rapidly flying away. Sounds exactly like the historical reports of "foo fighters" to me.[1] Look, I love the idea of aliens, but try to apply Occam's Razor here. What's less complica…

> Look, I love the idea of aliens, but try to apply Occam's Razor here. What's less complicated? I said nothing about aliens--you did. In fact, the only interpretation I offered was that the object appeared to demonstrate awareness of the aircraft sent to intercept it. Everything else I wrote was simply reporting the observations of the pilots and naval radar. > An uncommon, but natural phenomenon in which a ball of…

I've watched all of the raw footage and either listened to or watched the testimony. I'm sure the pilots saw something. It's very easy to see awareness and intent where there is none.

As I said, it sounds exactly like WWII pilots describing "foo fighters". There were many, many reports of those in WWII, and they're completely indistinguishable from these accounts. It would be extremely difficult at best to build such a thing using today's technology. Probably essentially impossible with 1940s technology.

The most likely explanation, therefore, is that it's some sort of natural phenomenon. Something that looks unearthly, and that seems to be more likely to be encountered by military aircraft than civilian aircraft. Maybe that's due to altitude, speed, composition of the aircraft, area of operation, etc.

There are really only two main classes of alternative beyond that:

- Someone active in the 1940s had the ability to make supersonic glowing drone aircraft, and has managed to keep that technology completely secret ever since. - Aliens (or equivalent).

Neither of these seem particularly likely versus "atmospheric phenomenon".

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 8:35 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #45

1) are owners of Earth returning to harvest the crop (of plastics?)? 2) are the authors of /r/outside beta-testing a new faction? 3) are humans from the future messing around, then looking up incidents in history books and competing with each other who made a bigger splash? 4) is there a group of humans with so much advanced technology and science that the rest of us are just neanderthals in comparison?

#2 I forgot that that was a thing. Makes sense.

#3 seems existentially hard to prove- and it seems like half the competition would be getting cold, hard evidence that they did it- recording themselves doing whatever at a much higher resolution than possible might work.

#4 Makes sense. Maybe the earth is actually flat, and they got to the other side of it? [/s, obviously]

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by noetic_techy » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:23 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #62

Funny, a first deployment of a highly complex networked software driven system developed by gov contractors, being admittedly used by newly trained people (a training program called COMPUTEX as per the article), makes me even more sceptical that it may simply be an error/anomaly rather than providing better evidence of it being UFOs. If this is indeed positive evidence, then the big question not asked was how many of…

Radar Contact + FLIR Contact+ Human Eyeball confirmation by two types aircraft != a technical anomaly.

Watch the recreation and the eyewitness testimony videos from multiple vantage points.

https://youtu.be/PRgoisHRmUE (recreation of ONE of the west coast incident, starts at around 9:00 in)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27666/what-the-hell-is.... (note the embedded videos of testimonies)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28231/multiple-f-a-18-.... (new tech, east coast incident years later)

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by noetic_techy » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:26 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #50

Skepticism means positing alternative theories that explain the evidence, not coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence, which is what most of the threads here do. Super intelligent AI certainly seems plausible as a thing which could exist. Fusion powered sub-light speed autonomous drones certainly seems like a thing which could exist. Any super intelligent AI would take actions to ensur…

The famous UFO researcher Micah Hanks posits its possibly the emergence of a singularity super intelligent AI from this planet. Any seemingly advanced technology would seem like magic, and it explains the elusiveness.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by noetic_techy » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:32 PM UTC

mannykannot wrote: post #2

So, in at least a couple of cases, these events coincide with the deployment of new air defense tech with advanced information processing capabilities? One should at least consider the possibility that they are machine-generated artifacts, possibly responses to unusual conditions that have mundane explanations.

Radar Contact (on multiple days) + FLIR Contact + Human Eyeball confirmation by two types aircraft in which these things buzzed them != a technical anomaly.

Watch the recreation and the eyewitness testimony videos from multiple vantage points.

https://youtu.be/PRgoisHRmUE (recreation of ONE of the west coast incident, starts at around 9:00 in)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27666/what-the-hell-is.... (note the embedded videos of testimonies)

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28231/multiple-f-a-18-.... (new tech, east coast incident years later)

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by noetic_techy » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

maxander wrote: post #91

instantwhat wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes perfect sense- in the same way that your reflection in a mirror "demonstrates awareness of your presence." The commander in the video did not describe it as being like a reflection. Why don't you watch his 6-minute testimony and then offer an informed opinion? > flight computers tracking the glitch would plausibly show it "performing maneuvers" that make no sense for physical objects, such as the ones you…

I didn't say it was a reflection; that was an analogy. Obviously I don't think a bunch of qualified military personnel would be fooled by something that trivial. I think you're reading opposing viewpoints with an agenda. :) As for pilots' eyeballs- nothing I've read about this clearly states that anyone got close enough to get direct-eye-contact; most mentions of "visual" confirmation are talking about via cameras (a…

Watch the recreation, it buzzed more than one aircraft:

https://youtu.be/PRgoisHRmUE

Radar Contact + FLIR Contact (videos) + Human Eyeball confirmation by two types aircraft + multiple eyewitness testimony != a technical anomaly nor a hallucination

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by InCesna14995 » Sun, Jun 02, 2019, 11:50 PM UTC

mmorris wrote: post #55

le-mark wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, B-2 doesn't fly particularly high, this comment seems a bit inaccurate.

Probably meant the U-2.

Never underestimate a Cessna 150 filled to the load-bearing-safety brim with conspiratorial materials. #Area50995

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by tatersolid » Mon, Jun 03, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #33

blurbleblurble wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that the camera/plane was tracking the object

It was. But the video looks like the camera software is trying to track something that's on or within the camera, thus doing a steady rotation at roughly uniform rate. In plane's frame of reference, this footage would correspond to an object trajectory shaped like a circle centered around the plane. That's a pretty weird trajectory to have. See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk . And tell me,…

Most gimbal-based mechanical systems systems are made to rotate “unnecessarily” to avoid gimbal lock when two of the gimbals are about to coincide. The fact that this happens at very near zero degrees makes perfect sense if that’s where the gimbals would become aligned and locked.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by spookybones » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 6:26 PM UTC

WindowsFon4life wrote: post #18

spookybones wrote: post #16

When the stealth bomber was top secret and still being tested, most of the army, air force, and navy was unaware of it. Something flying at such a high altitude was considered impossible. Naturally, Air Force fighter pilots were some of the first to observe it, and some of those pilots wondered out loud if it was an alien encounter. No one at Area 51 corrected them. So, this could be a similar scenario. It could even…

Do you mean SR-71 instead of the B2?

Yes! Sorry, I meant the SR-71.