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Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by Arnt »

maratd wrote: post #82
contingencies wrote: post #77

Regardless of the cause of this particular set of events, corporate media engagement as resistance against state actors is the only logical development that can be expected following the Snowden revelations which confirmed that long-theorized postal interception methods are in use. This creates additional pushback for FedEx who now have to prove they aren't working for US intelligence, or face losing additional custo…

> I am kind of surprised that neither Deutsche Post[0] nor ZTO[1] nor SF Express[2] shares are up on the news. Why would they be up on the news? They're just as likely to be engaging in the same behavior, only for a different set of government actors.

Deutsche Post? Forget it. The scandal would be off the scale.

Stasi is a living memory in Germany.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by codedokode »

99_00 wrote: post #63
strooper wrote: post #43

Not related to this package delivery drama, but the way we are observing the live demolition of the world largest networking equipment maker and second largest smartphone maker (by number) in the name of trade war will never bring back the confidence in those who are flexing muscle. The illusion of the rule of law, free world, globalization and the reality of control is simply frightening, and worrisome.

Blacklisting Huawei is for national security reasons not because of the trade war. Because of the trade war the US has stopped turning a blind eye to misdeeds from China and state backed Chinese companies.

US arbitrarily "blacklisting" Huawei and trying to disrupt its business is nothing different from China banning Western companies. They also have valid excuses like "national security".

But in one case the media will tell us about evil authoritarian regime that doesn't want to play by the rules, and in another case they present it as a "fair punishment" for "misdeeds".

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by Bendingo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #129
tepidandroid wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei may have broken the law with respect to violating U.S's sanctions on Iran. These are still unproven allegations as of yet. Meanwhile, Société Générale, Deutsche Bank, BNP Paribas, JP Morgan have provably done exactly that. Yet there is only one C-suite level executive who is currently being held personally, criminally liable for corporate actions. I guarantee you won't be seeing Jamie Dimon threatened with pri…

Very simply, sanctions evasion is enforced differently from other domains. In any case, China is a terrible foil for the rule of law. Meng will get a fair trial in America. Nobody from anywhere would get the same in China.

> Meng will get a fair trial in America.

Your faith is US justice is admirable and patriotic. Do you believe Assange would also get a fair trial in USA ?

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by pushpop »

pushpop wrote: post #13
threeseed wrote: post #4

I wonder what the backstory is to this. You don't issue a press release for two missing packages. And since they were "important commercial documents" I am assuming that US intelligence must have intercepted them for some reason.

The back story could just as easily be a shipping error and Huawei trying to drum up anti-American sentiment as a counter to all the bad press the US have directed their way. Sure, it’s highly suspicious that a Hauwei shipment end up in America but equally it seems unlikely FedEx would be dumb enough to advertise that fact on their tracking page if they were ordered to divert said documents. I’m not suggesting there…

Weird this is getting downvoted while other comments saying literally the same thing are getting up voted.

Saw a few instances of this same thing happening yesterday as well.

If HN were to force voters to capture their reasons for such reactions I’m sure there would be fascinating psychological study waiting to happen there.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by snowwindwaves »

kpremote wrote: post #139
friedman23 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What they're doing to Huawei will have nefarious consequences to the US And what consequences do you imagine there will be?

The consequences might be like this (in addition to many other possible forms): Previously, my little factory spent 100% of the budget for component x and component y on buying from American suppliers (quality and price are both very good). But going forward, we plan to spend 70% to buy from Americans, 20% from other countries, and 10% to fund demestic research, and we will reduce the 70% part as soon as we can manag…

What you describe is already 100% what is going on with the technology transfers.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by throwaway2048 »

Bendingo wrote: post #140
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The illusion of the rule of law Rule of law has always been national. International politics are anarchic. Huawei quite clearly broke the laws of the United States ( e.g. with respect to Iran), repeatedly and wilfully.

Since when does the US set laws for Huawei? The attitude that the whole world must obey US laws is being increasingly rejected. And not before time.

they set the law for companies that want to do business in and with the USA, anything else would just lead to ridiculous shell games where corporations could break laws with impunity by farming it out to "completely independent foreign companies".

Its fine if Huawei doesn't want to follow US law, but they shouldn't expect to do business with Americans or American companies either.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by codedokode »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #73
zupreme wrote: post #21

So many US corporations are sacrificing potential billions in global comsumer confidence and flat-out revenue loss backing the “trade war”. What assurances are they getting which makes them willing to take the leap, I wonder? At the end of the day any losses have to be explained to sharebolders, regadless of political loyalties.

It's an excuse for long term thinking and out of control for the shareholders. Ever since every Chinese company with >50 employees requires a representative of the communist party. Every multinational knows that China will screw them over. They just have an excuse now. Plenty of multinationals that don't want to do business there. I haven't heard any of them subject truthfully that they hate not able to do business t…

> every Chinese company with >50 employees requires a representative of the communist party.

And every Western company is required to comply with NSA orders and sanctions arbitrarily imposed by anyone from US administration. Nothing different here.

> Plenty of multinationals that don't want to do business there.

A billion customers market is not something you can ignore. Google wants to return to China, and Apple is happily cooperating with its Chinese partner.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by codedokode »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #146
Bendingo wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when does the US set laws for Huawei? The attitude that the whole world must obey US laws is being increasingly rejected. And not before time.

they set the law for companies that want to do business in and with the USA, anything else would just lead to ridiculous shell games where corporations could break laws with impunity by farming it out to "completely independent foreign companies". Its fine if Huawei doesn't want to follow US law, but they shouldn't expect to do business with Americans or American companies either.

The allegations have not been proven in court yet, but US is already disrupting Huawei's business and US companies are cancelling the contracts. That's not how law works.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by Arnt »

wybiral wrote: post #95
codedokode wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there was nobody who thought about it. We had a similar situation in Russia. A mobile operator was cooperating with government to hack into activists' Telegram accounts. They disabled SMS service for a user and then requested a password restore using SMS, intercepted it and got access. But they forgot to delete this information from their internal systems, so when the user called support, they told them that…

Why wouldn't an intelligence agency just intercept it quietly? If I were sufficiently motivated and had global assets willing to do my bidding I could probably have found a way to intercept it at a sorting facility or en route or by sending in an "inspector" or social engineering or something. Why on earth would they do something so obvious to leave such a paper trail when you know they could pull this off quietly?

Maybe you don't have global assets?

In this age of fingerprints and occasional iris checks, sending intelligence personnel through foreign airports is risky.

Re: Huawei reviewing FedEx relationship, says packages 'diverted'

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Post by powerapple »

SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #22

Hanlon's razor applies here. If there was truly something nefarious going on, why would FedEx update the tracking status to say that the packages were re-routed? Why not just say they were held up in the sending or receiving country?

The tracking didn't say that. It is in communication with FedEx customer service that revealed it has been requested by HQ to divert the package.
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